You underestimate Canada and Britain, they would be in this without the Charter...........as would a few other countries..
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/02/01 04:22PM >>> Not just the US. the NATO charter also has been invoked - Article 5 does state quite strongly that an attack on one is an attack on all. That is why Britain France Canada etc are also involved. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. -- > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:15 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: How long? > > > Then it is the responsibility of the UN, as part of the UN America is > responsible for assisting if needed. > > When we are attacked we can take matters in to our own hands > and do that > job as we see fit. > > I am not opposed to offering support to other countries. We > just need to > make sure we are protected at home first. > > At 02:51 PM 11/2/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >Sorry, I meant how do you know the Northern Alliance didn't. > > > >Funny thing is, we did this to the American Indians. We did > some nasty shit > >in Vietnam too. Morality and ethics is something we could stand some > >teaching on. I here conservatives bash Amnesty International > all the time. I > >wonder what Rush L. has to say about them. I support them. > You are not > >telling me anything I do not know. > > > >What I said is how can you say we need to be there because > of this morality > >issue, when it happens all over the world and we ignore it. > > > >-Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:37 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > Amnesty International Reports have amply documented quite a few > > > crucifixions. Also a common punishment has been to bury > transgressor alive > > > and then drive tanks and other heavy vehicles over the > burial spot. The > > > Taleban has also committed quite a few massacres of > civilians and have > > > engaged in ethnic cleansing of places in Northern Afghanistan, > > > for instance > > > this report back in 1998: > > > http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA110081998?OpenDocument&of=C > > > OUNTRIES\A > > > FGHANISTAN, or this one from last January: > > > http://web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/Index/ASA110012001?OpenDocument&of=C > > > OUNTRIES\A > > > FGHANISTAN. > > > > > > does it matter how they die? The fact is that the Taleban > has engaged in > > > genocide. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > -- > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > EBStor.com > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > -- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:32 AM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you know they didn't crucify people? Maybe they just > > > > take them out > > > > back and shoot them in the head. No, these people are just > > > > another flavor of > > > > what is there now, only less organized and probably more lethal. > > > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:40 AM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given Rabanni's record of the 90's not much. But they did > > > > not require the > > > > > burkas on all women, nor did they crucify people who disagreed > > > > > with them. I > > > > > am hoping that a very wide coalition government headed by > > > > the former king > > > > > will be put in place. He at least has a record of > > > > attempting to set up a > > > > > constitutional democratic government. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:33 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know what the taleban are capable of. thing is, i've known > > > > > > since before > > > > > > sept 11. they have been doing what they do for years, and > > > > > > no-on has bombed > > > > > > them. this war has absolutely nothing to do with their human > > > > > > rights abuses. > > > > > > furthermore, where is the evidence that the > northern alliance > > > > > > will be any > > > > > > better? > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 15:28 > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry but I equate the Taliban with Nazis, there is only one > > > > > > effective way > > > > > > to deal with them. Against almost any one else I'd be > > > > > > advocating alternative > > > > > > means but not for these. They have a record that is truly > > > > > > horrific. You need > > > > > > to read the reports on the Taliban by Amnesty International > > > > > > and Human Rights > > > > > > Watch to know the depths that these people have gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: done > > > Chaos, panic, andhttp://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:16 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hmphhh..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not really what i meant larry... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 15:14 > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agreed. Maybe its time to start dropping Fuel Air > Explosives > > > > > > > on those caves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:02 AM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well then maybe a change of tactics is whats required? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: 02 November 2001 14:57 > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its rather hard to make an impact on someone > who doesn't give > > > > > > > > a damn for > > > > > > > > their own people, while they are in caves with > hundreds of > > > > > > > > feet of bedrock > > > > > > > > above them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if the Taliban were directly affected (i.e.. the > > > > > > > > leadership) things > > > > > > > > would be different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:51 AM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: How long? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How long does it take a Superpower to bomb a > third-world > > > > > > > > > country into submission? We've been bombing > Afghanistan > > > > > > > > > since Oct 7 - I > > > > > > > > > would have thought it would be over by now. > Here it is, > > > > > > > > > November 2, and we don't seem any closer to > an end. What > > > > > > > > > concerns me is > > > > > > > > > that there are some who think that Iraq may have been > > > > > > > > > involved and may be the target of the next > campaign. Iraq > > > > > > > > > has a much better > > > > > > > > > military than Afghanistan so how long would > that one take? > > > > > > > > > And, a campaign against Iraq would be > completely different > > > > > > > > > that the Gulf > > > > > > > > > war because we wouldn't stop short of going > into Baghdad > > > > > > > this time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On a side note - I guess the people of Vieques are > > > > happy that > > > > > > > > > the US Navy has moved on to bombing Afghanistan... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Howie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
