> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:51 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: How long? > > > Even if you had the evidence, would it make a difference? Funny how you > support a course of action that, by your own admission, wouldn't have > worked. Then what? What if we did take that course of action that you > suggest and the results were as you predicted? We gather indisputable > evidence and present it to the Taliban, an organization that only > Pakistan has recognized as having authority in Afghanistan, and they > still refused to turn him over. What then Gary?
We wait, like we did with Milosevic. We got him (or the International community did). Look, I don't have all the answers, any more than any of you do, but this war thing is NOT the answer. Terrorism exists and will exist, going there to root him out will get a lot of young American men killed, as in Somalia. > > As for what Christ would say, how could you even ask that since you > don't believe in his existence anyways? You want to ask someone that, > in your own admission, doesn't exist, what he would say about this? I > got an idea, lets ask Mickey Mouse what he would think? He holds the > same status to you that Christ does. I don't know what Christ would > say. The Catholic church says that engaging in this war is not > consistent with His teachings and that we shouldn't partake in it (I've > now opened the door for you to bash the Catholic Church now). I > disagree, but isn't that the way of free will. I'm willing to answer > for that. Ouch, Micky Mouse. I ask it because of the hypocrisy going on here. One minute we have people doing all this God Bless America stuff (e.g., the President) and then we talk war, like the two go together. The fact that I am agnostic does NOT make me ignorant of it's teachings, and what I learned in Catholic and Baptist schoolings was that he taught that we should not fight. I am not bashing any church, why do you say that? I am saying I wonder what he would have to say about this. What would his council be, the Son of God. How can President Bush reconcile this war with his beliefs. Just curious really. > > I'll put this to you Gary; Is it possible that it could also be some > left-wing group responsible for the Anthrax attacks too? There are some > pretty militant environmentalists out there. Don't forget The > anti-capitalist, anti-globalist extremists that rioted in Seattle and > destroyed how many millions of dollars in public property protesting the > WTO? The name of the organization escapes me, but there is an > environmental organization right now in the Pacific Northwest burning > down houses that are under construction because they protest the homes > being built there. Could it be them? Of course it could, but I don't > see you pointing them out. Seems pretty disingenuous to me. Unless you > approve of what they do. Do you? Oddly, I feel I did say them, in the form of "or other groups". In another email I addressed this issue. Yes, there are extremists on both sides. My experience is that left wing groups often do not take life, while right wing seem more prone to do it. As to Seattle, that was an Anarchist group. I do not condone that at all. The vast majority of people there, which the news does not get very excited about, were peaceful and in fact tried to stop some of the destruction. I would not call Anarchists left wing, sorry, but they are anti-governement, which in my book is very far right. No, I do not advocate what Earth First or any of the other very left groups are doing, though I do think their agenda has some merit, they are approaching it from the wrong direction. > > I know that you really dislike conservatives and conservatism, but don't > let that prevent you from being honest about these sort of things. > Maybe I'm just being arrogant again. We do you say this? Because we differ in opinion? Did I attack you? I do not dislike conservatives, I just do not agree with many of the policies and see the world from a different perspective than you. My friend of 25 years is quite conservative and introduced me to the Baptist church (I grew up Catholic). > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. > To: CF-Community > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: How long? > > > What "ample" evidence. I want to see it. I am not saying it is not > true, I > want to see it in a court of law, which is how we should have pursued > this > in the first place. Gather evidence, get the bad guys, have a trial. > The > Taliban even offered to give him to us if we could supply good > evidence. I > guess it was not convincing. (snicker, don't get me wrong, there is > little > doubt in my mind they would have given him to us regardless, the trial > would > be in absentia.) > > -Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:30 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > At the same time however, there is ample evidence that Al-Queda > > was involved > > in the 9-11 atrocities. And the main prop to the Taleban has been > > Al-Queda. > > the 055 Regiment, which is funded by Bin-Laden and Al-Queda and > manned by > > Al-Queda personnel is the best unit in the Taleban military. The > > two groups > > are so hand in glove that they are almost the same. Hence there is > ample > > justification to go after the Taleban. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Neil Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:23 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: How long? > > > > > > > > > Here here Gary! > > > > > > but Nick, so America are correct in bombing Afghanistan? Bombing > a > > > relatively barren country is protecting the US? hmm? I think > > > you are living > > > in a world of fantasy about the place your country is holding > > > in the world > > > today and what right does your have the right as a country to > > > dicate the > > > fate or paths of the world.....other nations suffer > > > atrocities etc.... oh > > > but they are not civilised are they? :-) > > > > > > A thread a while ago springs to mind - what if the IRA or ETA > > > decided to > > > "declare a [war]" on the US - would you bomb the UK, Ireland > > > and Spain? > > > > > > Delusions of grandure methinks. Wake up and realise that > > > something is wrong > > > with the way the US (and ahem, some of its citizens) are > > > acting. I can > > > probably say that my colleagues and for people around me in > > > the UK, what > > > started out as hate and disgust about Sept 11 has now turned > > > to shock and > > > horrer about how the US is dealing with it - "Gung Ho" as > > > someone stated. > > > > > > I 100% agree that we should not harbour nor let terrorists > > > get away with > > > their acts, but I certainly dont agree in open bombing willy > > > nilly - just > > > because you think "you can". > > > > > > I have been to Kabul and it was a wreck then - all you are > > > doing is breaking > > > up a whole load of rubble!! but I suppose on that scale if > > > your gonna blow > > > up rubble you may as well bomb it up with a laser guided bomb > > > - I think > > > every kid should have one.......get them one for Xmas and > > > maybe they can > > > defend their own backyards..... jeez theres a market there - > > > bollox to this > > > internet lark..........<door shuts......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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