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-----Original Message-----
From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:47 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: How long?

>>   The use of violence is not a civilization denegrator. Nuking 
baghdad

>Exactly. Where does it stop?

        Where? When they are no longer a threat. When they no longer exist.


>>   Posit: Hussein is found to have been the source of the Anthrax used

>Try him in international court, the Hague. You don't kill an entire 
city.

        I don't like the Hague. Who do they answer too? Who keeps them in line? 
Whose laws are they bound by? And once you get bin Laden, are you going 
to round up the thousands, if not tens of thousands, of individuals who 
aided and abetted this thing? Do you think we should send FBI agents to 
Afghanistan with arrest warrants to go door to door? The job in 
Afghanistan right now is the elimination of both Al Qaeda and Taliban 
elelments in the country. Bush said we would punish those who helped and 
that is what we are doing.


>> again (except arrest more people). The US has one hell of a record of
>> practicing restraint.

>So what is point? What if we HAD retaliated? Might it be that 1 billion
>Moslems would hate us instead of a handfull? Most Afghani's probably 
didn't
>know crap about America before 9/11.

        Because we don't want to upset people, we should leave them alone? How 
many Japanese were upset that we didn't roll over after Pearl Harbor?

        Muslims do not like us, period. A lot of them tolerate us, but Islam is 
not a religion tolerant of other religions or governments.

        The US, a nation founded on the Christian faith, is a country tolerant 
of every religion on this planet, except when actions are committed 
which are legal violations. Heck, we let people use drugs and opt out of 
the Social Security system for religious reasons. We let people 
conscientiously object themselves right out of the draft because of 
religion. This country goes out of its way to do what it can to respect 
the beliefs of others.


>What you want is some people dead. You want us to puff out our chest 
and
>kick some ass. Only, whose ass do you kick? The "people". What did they 
do.
>Shit man, they are just trying to eak out a living. You don't see many 
fat
>people in Iraq. Or people with all their teeth. Or medical centers, 
etc.

        Yes. I do want some people dead. I want all of those involved in this 
dead. And made dead in a very blunt and overwhelming manner. This is not 
a war against the Afghan People. Heck, we have not applied the tenets of 
"Total War" here. But bin Laden has, and a lot of people have missed 
this point. He stated in his video that anyone paying taxes in the US is 
his enemy.

        WWII brought us Dresden. An annihilation of no purpose. The war was 
over at that point. Devestating Dresden brought us no closer to victory. 
Yet we did it.

        Bomber Harris brought the wrath of the Allies to the Axis in Europe, 
and the British people hated him for it. The British were all gung ho 
for the destruction of the Axis until that destruction was brought home 
to the German people. If we were Harris today, Kabul would not exist.

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