This argument is the religious equivalent of "I'm not touching you!", and has about as much relevance.
Matt Small -----Original Message----- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 4:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice I had thought it was being in a state of grace. So by that rationale, if a mass murderer one second, lets say one nanosecond before the trap is opened/switch is pulled/drugs are injected/etc/., repents then he goes to heaven. At the same time, lets say a real saint, does good works, lives the saintly life, sacrifices etc., gets really pissed off at something - stubs his toe - whatever and suddenly croaks, then he goes to hell. Some logic there. No wonder the minister in the church I went to as a kid always tried to avoid talking with me after the services. larry On 10/10/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As far as I know, all mainstream Protestant denomiations are based on > a "Faith Alone" doctrine. I've heard it both ways for Catholicism - > Faith+Works will be you to Heaven. > > However, James does say that faith is dead without works, but it's not > the works that get you to Heaven there - it's the faith. That is to > say that a person who, at the minute he dies, repents and professes > faith, will get to Heaven. If works are necessary, he can't get > there. That's why Protestant religions have a "Faith Alone" doctrine. > > > Matthew Small > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice > > I am not sure about the you will be forgiven if you believe in Christ part. > I think this is only some sects. > > Dana > > On 10/10/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > God has a policy of forgiveness, and He also cannot be in the > > presence of sin. However, let me paraphrase the bumper sticker for you: > > > > "If you are a true believer of the Catholic faith, then you don't > > believe in abortion." > > > > Since the Catholic Church has an official stance on that, the bumper > > sticker is correct: you cannot be a Catholic and be pro-choice. It's > > an either-or > > situation: either you are in the club, or you are not. > > > > It is possible to be a person believing in God and Jesus Christ and > > also be pro-choice, it's just a matter of denomination, and whether > > or not you believe that abortion is the killing of a life. However, > > should you be correct in that there is a God, you will have to > > answer for your sins to Him. That usually gives pause for reflection > > to a peson who claim to be a Christian and also feels that abortion > > is a moral act. > > > > Lastly, whether or not you feel that abortion is moral, whether or > > not you actually do it, you will be forgiven if you believe in Christ. > > > > Please don't point holes in this argument out to me. It's not my > > argument, I didn't invent it, I don't need to be convinced > > otherwise, and I'm just trying to help Ken understand it. > > > > Matthew Small > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Ketsdever [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:33 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: You cannot be Catholic and Pro-Choice > > > > I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said "You cannot be > > Catholic and Pro-Choice" > > > > I wonder if God is really that strict? I thought he had a policy of > > forgiveness etc... I believe I shouldn't dictate what other people > > do with their bodies so I am damned to hell. Seems kinda harsh. > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is > > for the sole use of the intended > > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. > > Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is > > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact > > the sender and delete any copies of this message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:176685 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
