I read an article once from a pro-abortionist or pro-choice woman.  She 
talked about the pain of having to abort her baby/fetus,because they found 
out it will come out retarded or something, and didn't want it to suffer 
having to live thru life like that.  Although I don't agree with what she 
did, I do commend her for having the balls to acknowledge that she did kill 
her baby,a human life.  She said it in those words or something like that! 
She didn't go PC or try to argue the "it's only a human being after it's out 
of the vagina" hogwash.  She even gave the baby a name.

Now I always thought about this scenario.  What if we were able to produce a 
machine that can simulate the environments of a womb and can actually "grow" 
the baby, from embryo to full grown ready to pop out baby.  Now what if the 
persons who own that it were a male and female scientist who used their own 
sperm and egg in that machine.....and they decide they can do anything they 
want with it, since it's still in the womb technically.  Does that 
baby/fetus have any rights?  Is it a human being? Mebbe they can grow the 
babies in a jar and they can sell bonsai babies for 20 bucks a pop.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matthew Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: RE: Rabbi Kushner On "Pro-Life"


> 'For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's 
> womb.
> I praise you that I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are
> wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I
> was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of 
> the
> earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were
> written in your book before one of them came to be' (Psalm 139:13-16 NIV)
>
> http://www.faithnet.org.uk/KS4/Matters%20of%20Life%20and%20Death/christianab
> ortion.htm
>
> Matthew Small
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:37 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Rabbi Kushner On "Pro-Life"
>
> I heard  Rabbi Harold Kushner on NPR and thought he was really
> interesting.  He talked extensively about Church and State and is
> clearly against law derived from religion.
>
> For example on evolution vs creationism he said that religion and
> science answer different questions; that science answers what happens
> and religion answers what matters.
>
> Specifically to abortion he claims that the Bible defines life as
> beginning at birth, not conception.  He said that anyone familiar with
> Biblical law can find this in Exodus chapter 22.  Apparently in there
> you can find that the penalty for for murder is death; that the
> penalty for manslaughter is exile; and that the penalty for the death
> of a fetus is a fine.  He goes on to say that nowhere in the Bible is
> one allowed to buy their way out of murder.
>
> Therefore his point is that if one looks to the Bible for an answer to
> abortion, the Bible defines life as beginning at birth.
>
>
>
> 

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