interesting question actually. I believe that under current law the answer is no, since there are usually discarded embryos in the in vitro process. I personally still say that it is ridiculous to think that twelve cells that have implanted in a uterine wall are alive. Potentially alive, perhaps. But clearly the eight-month-and-two week fetus is alive, since I gave birth at that point. Where the line is in between I do not know.
Dana On 10/18/05, brobborb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I read an article once from a pro-abortionist or pro-choice woman. She > talked about the pain of having to abort her baby/fetus,because they found > out it will come out retarded or something, and didn't want it to suffer > having to live thru life like that. Although I don't agree with what she > did, I do commend her for having the balls to acknowledge that she did > kill > her baby,a human life. She said it in those words or something like that! > She didn't go PC or try to argue the "it's only a human being after it's > out > of the vagina" hogwash. She even gave the baby a name. > > Now I always thought about this scenario. What if we were able to produce > a > machine that can simulate the environments of a womb and can actually > "grow" > the baby, from embryo to full grown ready to pop out baby. Now what if the > persons who own that it were a male and female scientist who used their > own > sperm and egg in that machine.....and they decide they can do anything > they > want with it, since it's still in the womb technically. Does that > baby/fetus have any rights? Is it a human being? Mebbe they can grow the > babies in a jar and they can sell bonsai babies for 20 bucks a pop. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Small" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:43 PM > Subject: RE: Rabbi Kushner On "Pro-Life" > > > > 'For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's > > womb. > > I praise you that I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are > > wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when > I > > was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of > > the > > earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were > > written in your book before one of them came to be' (Psalm 139:13-16 > NIV) > > > > > http://www.faithnet.org.uk/KS4/Matters%20of%20Life%20and%20Death/christianab > > ortion.htm > > > > Matthew Small > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:37 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Rabbi Kushner On "Pro-Life" > > > > I heard Rabbi Harold Kushner on NPR and thought he was really > > interesting. He talked extensively about Church and State and is > > clearly against law derived from religion. > > > > For example on evolution vs creationism he said that religion and > > science answer different questions; that science answers what happens > > and religion answers what matters. > > > > Specifically to abortion he claims that the Bible defines life as > > beginning at birth, not conception. He said that anyone familiar with > > Biblical law can find this in Exodus chapter 22. Apparently in there > > you can find that the penalty for for murder is death; that the > > penalty for manslaughter is exile; and that the penalty for the death > > of a fetus is a fine. He goes on to say that nowhere in the Bible is > > one allowed to buy their way out of murder. > > > > Therefore his point is that if one looks to the Bible for an answer to > > abortion, the Bible defines life as beginning at birth. > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:177295 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
