On 6/30/06, Gruss Gott wrote: > Pull up out of the weeds and all of the Rush talking points. Here's the deal:
Who's in the weeds here? > 1.) "Legal" When US soldiers are engaged in combat, the fog of war > applies. The best we have is the Geneva convention. The GC doesn't apply to these people but we now pretend it does. > 2.) "War". It was a war when we attacked Afghanistan, but it's over. The war in Afghanistan is over? That's news to me. > There's a war in Iraq, but it's almost over. We cannot define war as > "the period of time between now and when all attacks against Americans > anywhere ceases to exist". But reasonable people can differ on that. We're talking about prisoners from current wars that are being held in accordance with the GC. who said they will be detained after the fighting stops? > Even if we call it war, we simply cannot lock people up forever. Isn't that why we want military tribunals? > Period. We'll have to come up with another solution if we insist on > defining war as infinite. You're confusing the general war on terror with the individual wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. But let me point out while al Qaeda may not have a country to be in war against their members are still at war with us and the rules of war apply. > The whiny "but US law shouldn't apply blah > blah blah" argument is a demagogue's wail. US civilian law can't apply on the battle field, you said so yourself when you called it the fog of war. > 3.) "The battlefield". Many of the GitMo prisoners were captured > because their neighbors got $25,000 for turning them in. You really hate this country and the military don't you. > That having > been said, ~200 have been released and some have gone right back to > battle. Doesn't that conflict with your last point that they were framed? > The summary is, we have to defend America from her greatest position > of strength: the principles she was founded on. And those principles > were 180 degrees opposed to locking people up without process. We can't apply the laws of the land to the battlefield unless you want to surrender the land > If we start whining that those principles are a weakness (as fear > might make one do), then we have been terrorized. If we've been > terrorized, the terrorists have won. If the terrorists have more rights than we do, ie the marines from Haditha in shackles, then they win. They use our laws to defeat us. Then we have no laws to fight for. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:5:210541 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:5 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
