On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:27 PM, denstar<[email protected]> wrote:
>> If we stop manufacturing in clean factories and send the work to China
>> or India, the same products will create a lot more pollution.
>
> Um, part of the cool bits about the "green" movement is more conscious
> (conscientious?) consumers.

Both my cars get over 30 mpg and my '95 Saturn with 160k runs like new
so I might get another ten years out of her.

You probably want to get a $3,500 credit for your old guzzler to buy a Prius.

People that really care vs people that pretend to care.

> You purporting that it's the factories pushing things towards being
> more conservationist?  If it were the supply side, I'd think we'd've
> been "there" sooner.

Like no large screen TVs,  cell phones or automobiles? Do you have
your own computer or do you use a shared one at the library?

> The sad thing about capitalism is it's generally about the money.

Capitalism is about innovation. Do you think your AC, dishwasher or
refrigerator would be this energy efficient if there was no
capitalism? You'd probably have the same wasteful models as 30 years
ago.

> Which is fine, but please stop knocking people for caring about where
> they live and make their lively-hood.

You lost me there. What?

> Conserving resources is generally a good idea, in my book (something
> about grasshoppers and ants).

You folks keep missing the point I believe it's intentional.
Nobody's saying don't conserve or go out and pollute.We're saying the
best way to conserve is allow our innovations to make things cleaner
and environmentally friendlier. Al Gore and his tools want to put all
US manufacturing companies out of business and send all manufacturing
to places like China and India where they don't care about pollution.

Does Al Gore conserve? Didn't Obama say we can't keep our thermostats
on 74 and turn his up to 78?

> And humans couldn't possibly affect change, right?  We're adapters,
> not changers.

I read an article a few weeks back that said cutting back on
fluorocarbons made things worse.
The earth adapted to us but we threw a curve ball :)


> No, we're not very good at changing our environment.  Nope.
>
> Just adaption.
>
> Adaptation.  The world is so big, and we're so sm

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