The closest thing that article comes to showing a 'progression' is that 'pet abuse is one of four risk factors for intimate partner violence.' That is a far cry from saying if you abuse animals, you will eventually turn on people, which is the point it seemed Gruss was trying to make.
So, it seems that premeditation seems to be the key rather than what species the victims were. Which seems kind of...odd to me. I love dogs, and I have never once tried to defend what Vick did. Rather all I tried to do is point out how Vick killed dogs and people want him to never be able to get a job at his chosen career, but Kennedy killed another human and it did not seem to affect his career at all. Vick is not even getting a second chance, especially when people use words like 'punk' to describe him. The fact that his crimes were premeditated does nto mean that a) he can be remorseful about what he did and 2) he can change as a person and do some good for others. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals over >> > and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before that's a >> > person. >> >> Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'. >> >> I don't but the humane society does. > > http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/publiced/domestic_violence_cruelty.html > > Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's behalf here. Dead is dead if > you're the victim, as you point out. However, I think we agree that he did > not get up that morning and say hey I think I will drown one of my > volunteers today, right? So however cowardly or criminal his behavior may > have been, it was not deliberate, right? It was a huge and shameful fuckup. > But it was a fuckup. > > Meanwhile the dogfighting -- I have stayed out of that so far because I > ignore football and had never heard of Vick befor he got busted. I don't > like to get gushy about animals, thos since we are on the subject I will > mention that I used to foster dogs when I had the yard for it and probably > saved several from euthanasia given how dysfunctional the city shelter is > here. With that out of the way, I find that dogfighting does require > planning and yes cruelty. At best the man did not think it was wrong, and > the question then becomes why would he not. It seems to denote a lack of > empathy. > > Don't mind me though. I realize you two are having fun and I am bringing > reasonableness to a pissing contest ;) > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:303147 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
