yeah but it cites scientific journals, which are not the publications most known for unqualified declarative sentences :)
Still.... I really hope you are right about Vick. Note that I have not called him a punk, or anything else as best I can recall. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > The closest thing that article comes to showing a 'progression' is > that 'pet abuse is one of four risk factors for intimate partner > violence.' That is a far cry from saying if you abuse animals, you > will eventually turn on people, which is the point it seemed Gruss was > trying to make. > > So, it seems that premeditation seems to be the key rather than what > species the victims were. Which seems kind of...odd to me. I love > dogs, and I have never once tried to defend what Vick did. Rather all > I tried to do is point out how Vick killed dogs and people want him to > never be able to get a job at his chosen career, but Kennedy killed > another human and it did not seem to affect his career at all. Vick is > not even getting a second chance, especially when people use words > like 'punk' to describe him. > > The fact that his crimes were premeditated does nto mean that a) he > can be remorseful about what he did and 2) he can change as a person > and do some good for others. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> > Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals over > >> > and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before that's a > >> > person. > >> > >> Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'. > >> > >> I don't but the humane society does. > > > > http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/publiced/domestic_violence_cruelty.html > > > > Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's behalf here. Dead is dead > if > > you're the victim, as you point out. However, I think we agree that he > did > > not get up that morning and say hey I think I will drown one of my > > volunteers today, right? So however cowardly or criminal his behavior may > > have been, it was not deliberate, right? It was a huge and shameful > fuckup. > > But it was a fuckup. > > > > Meanwhile the dogfighting -- I have stayed out of that so far because I > > ignore football and had never heard of Vick befor he got busted. I don't > > like to get gushy about animals, thos since we are on the subject I will > > mention that I used to foster dogs when I had the yard for it and > probably > > saved several from euthanasia given how dysfunctional the city shelter is > > here. With that out of the way, I find that dogfighting does require > > planning and yes cruelty. At best the man did not think it was wrong, and > > the question then becomes why would he not. It seems to denote a lack of > > empathy. > > > > Don't mind me though. I realize you two are having fun and I am bringing > > reasonableness to a pissing contest ;) > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:303150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
