I know. But if you are upset about an inequity between what is said about one person and what is said about another --- it is possible that the difference is that it is different people expressing the opinions. I am quibbling tho. I agree that celebrities often get ofgf much lighter than other people, which seems to be your main point.
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > I did not mean to imply you had called him a 'punk' but others on this > list and others I know have. > > I hope I am right about Vick, too. He has been given a second chance, > to not only play football, but to make a difference in other people's > lives. With that in mind, if he fucks up again, I'll be the first to > a) admit I was wring and 2) be screaming for his head. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > yeah but it cites scientific journals, which are not the publications > most > > known for unqualified declarative sentences :) > > > > Still.... I really hope you are right about Vick. Note that I have not > > called him a punk, or anything else as best I can recall. > > > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> The closest thing that article comes to showing a 'progression' is > >> that 'pet abuse is one of four risk factors for intimate partner > >> violence.' That is a far cry from saying if you abuse animals, you > >> will eventually turn on people, which is the point it seemed Gruss was > >> trying to make. > >> > >> So, it seems that premeditation seems to be the key rather than what > >> species the victims were. Which seems kind of...odd to me. I love > >> dogs, and I have never once tried to defend what Vick did. Rather all > >> I tried to do is point out how Vick killed dogs and people want him to > >> never be able to get a job at his chosen career, but Kennedy killed > >> another human and it did not seem to affect his career at all. Vick is > >> not even getting a second chance, especially when people use words > >> like 'punk' to describe him. > >> > >> The fact that his crimes were premeditated does nto mean that a) he > >> can be remorseful about what he did and 2) he can change as a person > >> and do some good for others. > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals > over > >> >> > and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before > that's a > >> >> > person. > >> >> > >> >> Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'. > >> >> > >> >> I don't but the humane society does. > >> > > >> > > http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/publiced/domestic_violence_cruelty.html > >> > > >> > Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's behalf here. Dead is > dead > >> if > >> > you're the victim, as you point out. However, I think we agree that he > >> did > >> > not get up that morning and say hey I think I will drown one of my > >> > volunteers today, right? So however cowardly or criminal his behavior > may > >> > have been, it was not deliberate, right? It was a huge and shameful > >> fuckup. > >> > But it was a fuckup. > >> > > >> > Meanwhile the dogfighting -- I have stayed out of that so far because > I > >> > ignore football and had never heard of Vick befor he got busted. I > don't > >> > like to get gushy about animals, thos since we are on the subject I > will > >> > mention that I used to foster dogs when I had the yard for it and > >> probably > >> > saved several from euthanasia given how dysfunctional the city shelter > is > >> > here. With that out of the way, I find that dogfighting does require > >> > planning and yes cruelty. At best the man did not think it was wrong, > and > >> > the question then becomes why would he not. It seems to denote a lack > of > >> > empathy. > >> > > >> > Don't mind me though. I realize you two are having fun and I am > bringing > >> > reasonableness to a pissing contest ;) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:303152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.5
