I did not mean to imply you had called him a 'punk' but others on this list and others I know have.
I hope I am right about Vick, too. He has been given a second chance, to not only play football, but to make a difference in other people's lives. With that in mind, if he fucks up again, I'll be the first to a) admit I was wring and 2) be screaming for his head. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: > > yeah but it cites scientific journals, which are not the publications most > known for unqualified declarative sentences :) > > Still.... I really hope you are right about Vick. Note that I have not > called him a punk, or anything else as best I can recall. > > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> The closest thing that article comes to showing a 'progression' is >> that 'pet abuse is one of four risk factors for intimate partner >> violence.' That is a far cry from saying if you abuse animals, you >> will eventually turn on people, which is the point it seemed Gruss was >> trying to make. >> >> So, it seems that premeditation seems to be the key rather than what >> species the victims were. Which seems kind of...odd to me. I love >> dogs, and I have never once tried to defend what Vick did. Rather all >> I tried to do is point out how Vick killed dogs and people want him to >> never be able to get a job at his chosen career, but Kennedy killed >> another human and it did not seem to affect his career at all. Vick is >> not even getting a second chance, especially when people use words >> like 'punk' to describe him. >> >> The fact that his crimes were premeditated does nto mean that a) he >> can be remorseful about what he did and 2) he can change as a person >> and do some good for others. >> >> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Dana<[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Stroz <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> > Because if someone is willing to plan, torture, and kill animals over >> >> > and over again - for fun! - it's only a matter of time before that's a >> >> > person. >> >> >> >> Really? I am sure you have studies which show this 'progression'. >> >> >> >> I don't but the humane society does. >> > >> > http://www.hsus.org/acf/cruelty/publiced/domestic_violence_cruelty.html >> > >> > Mind, I don't really want to engage on Kenedy's behalf here. Dead is dead >> if >> > you're the victim, as you point out. However, I think we agree that he >> did >> > not get up that morning and say hey I think I will drown one of my >> > volunteers today, right? So however cowardly or criminal his behavior may >> > have been, it was not deliberate, right? It was a huge and shameful >> fuckup. >> > But it was a fuckup. >> > >> > Meanwhile the dogfighting -- I have stayed out of that so far because I >> > ignore football and had never heard of Vick befor he got busted. I don't >> > like to get gushy about animals, thos since we are on the subject I will >> > mention that I used to foster dogs when I had the yard for it and >> probably >> > saved several from euthanasia given how dysfunctional the city shelter is >> > here. With that out of the way, I find that dogfighting does require >> > planning and yes cruelty. At best the man did not think it was wrong, and >> > the question then becomes why would he not. It seems to denote a lack of >> > empathy. >> > >> > Don't mind me though. I realize you two are having fun and I am bringing >> > reasonableness to a pissing contest ;) >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:303151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
