Besides the drug addiction to nicotine, there are also 
the habits (hand/mouth) associated with smoking that are 
hard to break.

People I've known who quit said carrot sticks help with 
this - people may look at ya funny, but they are a 
similar size and shape, give you something to play with 
in your hand (something you can do in public anyway 
<g>), and can be sucked or should I say puffed almost 
like a cigarette.

Good luck !!

-Ben

> My wife and I used Zyban aka Wellbutrin (aka The Quit Smoking Pill)... it's
> an antidepressant that blocks the chemical effects of nicotine in the brain.
> 
> Some people say it doesn't work.  I was not "ready" to quit when I did, and
> I haven't had a cigarette since March of last year.  I've wanted one tons of
> times, and that's where that "choice" word comes in again.
> 
> Oh, and I had quit one time before using the patch.  Didn't like it or what
> I did in lashing out.
> 
> Support helps too.
> 
> Hatton
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:03 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
> >
> >
> > Interesting thread; I am a smoker, and a smoker who really wants
> > to quit by
> > the way. I make absolutely sure that when I smoke, that is does
> > not interfere
> > with the health and surroundings of non-smokers. When I first
> > started smoking,
> > which was a long time ago, there was not really issues of smokers and
> > non-smokers being in the same room with each other. Today is
> > allot different
> > and many of the people I knew that were smokers are now not
> > smoking. The US is
> > vastly becoming a non-smoking nation and although I do not think
> > that everyone
> > will quit, I do believe that a large majority will. Everyone has
> > their rights
> > and what Tim said holds true, maybe smoking is not comparable to
> > LSD, speed,
> > crank or freaky sex, but as 2Live Crew said back in the day "What
> > I do in my
> > house, may not be what you do in your house, and what I do in my
> > house is none
> > of your business". I also would be interested in knowing from the former
> > smokers how you quit...What is the easiest way?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Douglas Brown
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
> >
> >
> > > Let me frame my reply first:  I'm an ex-smoker and when I did smoke I
> > > tried to be as considerate as Matthew is explaining.  As a non-smoker, I
> > > still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every
> > > now and then (I call it "sniffing").
> > >
> > > I honestly think, Ben, that you're complaint is with a smaller
> > > percentage of smokers than you think.  I, along with almost every smoker
> > > I know and have known, do what Matthew described.  I honesly think that
> > > it's a case of "one bad apple ruins the peck".
> > >
> > > Even as an ex-smoker, I take issue with the coments about "Also, I don't
> > > understand how smokers can defend something they clearly know is
> > > unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of money, etc.  I
> > > mean come on, get a grip!"  IMO, it's my choice (as I see Matt making
> > > the comment that it's all about choice) whether I smoke or not.  In my
> > > case, I did not quit for my health nor my wallet.  I quit because my
> > > wife, who is also an ex-smoker, wanted to quit and I had to choose
> > > (again, there's that choice word) whether I wanted to support her in a
> > > loving and considerate manner or show her that I didn't respect her
> > > choice to quit.  If it had not been for that sequence of events, I'd be
> > > burning one right now, knowing full well (I do have a college degree and
> > > have seen the ads, waning labels and pictures) the consequences.
> > >
> > > For now, I'll make the choice to leave it at that.  It's time for a
> > > three-day weekend (via vacation day).
> > >
> > > Happy Weekend!
> > > Hatton
> > >
> > > Life sucks, get a helmet.
> > >
> > > Ben Arledge wrote:
> > >
> > > > I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to
> > > > make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all.
> > Perhaps my
> > > > strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey.
> > > >
> > > > Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ben
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN)
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
> > > >
> > > > Well, that's the thing.
> > > >
> > > > I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being
> > > > lumped
> > > > together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your
> > face, and
> > > > I
> > > > don't like that kind of generalization.
> > > >
> > > > I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke.  If
> > > > someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else.
> > > >
> > > > I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have
> > > > finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I
> > light up.  I
> > > > once
> > > > had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked
> > > > while
> > > > they were eating.  She was the only smoker I knew who was
> > like that, but
> > > > since then, I always ask.  No one has said "yes, please wait", but I
> > > > still
> > > > ask.
> > > >
> > > > I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too.  Ever had to
> > listen to a
> > > > throbbing bass track at a stop light?  Even seen a KKK rally?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > clearly
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>money,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >
> > > > I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet.  I like it.
> > > > Really.  Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey.
> > > >
> > > > And that's where my first response came from.  It's my
> > choice.  I don't
> > > > understand why I should be forced to defend it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM
> > > >>>To: CF-Community
> > > >>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because
> > he's fat)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Here you go indeed
> > > >>>
> > > >>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non-
> > > >>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the
> > > >>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're
> > > >>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your
> > > >>>smoke but might be forced to.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not
> > > >>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects
> > > >>>my health.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>-Ben
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>(here we go)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>that they're causing my
> > > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>their right.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30
> > > >>>>
> > > > yards
> > > >
> > > >>>to a
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>designated smoking area.  The only others around are other smokers.
> > > >>>>
> > > > How
> > > >
> > > >>>are
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>you affected?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Funny that you mention this.  Yesterday, I and two other smokers
> > > >>>>
> > > > were
> > > >
> > > >>>out at
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>the smoking area.  Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk
> > > >>>>
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > >>>us.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>She is a non-smoker.  She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to
> > > >>>>
> > > > us
> > > >
> > > >>>in
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>the office.  She chose to join us.  Were we forcing her to smoke?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it.  Your guns (or
> > > >>>>
> > > > those
> > > >
> > > >>>of
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them.
> > > >>>>
> > > > Your
> > > >
> > > >>>>fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care,
> > > >>>>
> > > > no
> > > >
> > > >>>more
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>for you.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are
> > > >>>>
> > > > required
> > > >
> > > >>>to be
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise.  You better be
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>there.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>No, you can't think that way, it bothers me.  Think the way I tell
> > > >>>>
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > >>>>You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>Matt
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM
> > > >>>>>>To: CF-Community
> > > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > fat)
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my
> > > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>their right.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > because
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > any
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually
> > > >>>>>>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from
> > > >>>>>>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age
> > > >>>>>>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > people
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > your
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>personal space violated.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>should
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>stay home and away from the rest of us.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
> > > >>>>>>
> > > > clearly
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>money,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Anybody else feel the same way?  Or disagree?  :)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Cheers,
> > > >>>>>>Ben
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM
> > > >>>>>>To: CF-Community
> > > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>Tim-
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..."
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to
> > > >>>>>>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream
> > > >>>>>>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>When you eat, it directly affects only you.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>are you taking responsibility for the effect your
> > > >>>>>>personal decision to smoke has on them?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights
> > > >>>>>>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>-Ben
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>smoking.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>1.  Everyone knows both products are bad for them.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>2. The people who whine about each the most are either
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > hypocrites
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>(still
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>using the product) or they are former users.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > win) is
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>just as
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>stupid as this.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>I am a smoker.  I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>problems.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > actions
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>where
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>smoking (or a big mac) are concerned.  How is it that the nation
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>that
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>was
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > far
> > > >
> > > >>>out
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>way
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>those of the community, has fallen to such a low.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it.  Oh well
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > "Who
> > > >
> > > >>>is
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>John
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Gault?".
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > > ability
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>somewhere
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>day.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>What was it called?  Galt's Gulch?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>Tim Heald
> > > >>>>>>>Developer
> > > >>>>>>>Schoollink, Inc.
> > > >>>>>>>910.223.2116 x 122
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>>>>From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM
> > > >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community
> > > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > SOB
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>will have a
> > > >>>>>>>>blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > dude.
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>This is
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>personal
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>burning
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>hot
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen??
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > I'm
> > > >
> > > >>>glad
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>you
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > genetic
> > > >
> > > >>>line
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>lol.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>Bill Wheatley
> > > >>>>>>>>Senior Database Developer
> > > >>>>>>>>Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
> > > >>>>>>>>EDIETS.COM
> > > >>>>>>>>954.360.9022 X159
> > > >>>>>>>>ICQ 417645
> > > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>>>>>>From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM
> > > >>>>>>>>Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger?
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>fast-food
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>corporations, saying their fatty foods are
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>responsible for his client's obesity and related health
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>problems.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > state
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>court in the
> > > >>>>>>>>Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > in
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>the posting
> > > >>>>>>>>of their nutritional information, that they
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > they
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>create a de
> > > >>>>>>>>facto addiction in their consumers,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>particularly the poor and children.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>"You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>addiction, you're
> > > >>>>>>>>creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > up
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>front with
> > > >>>>>>>>the consumers."
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > his
> > > >
> > > >>>>>>>>client are
> > > >>>>>>>>seeking.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> 
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