the gum works well; if you can stand the taste and you're ready to quit. ~Simon
Simon Horwith Macromedia Certified Instructor Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Fig Leaf Software 1400 16th St NW, # 500 Washington DC 20036 202.797.6570 (direct line) www.figleaf.com -----Original Message----- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 17:58 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) My wife and I used Zyban aka Wellbutrin (aka The Quit Smoking Pill)... it's an antidepressant that blocks the chemical effects of nicotine in the brain. Some people say it doesn't work. I was not "ready" to quit when I did, and I haven't had a cigarette since March of last year. I've wanted one tons of times, and that's where that "choice" word comes in again. Oh, and I had quit one time before using the patch. Didn't like it or what I did in lashing out. Support helps too. Hatton > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 5:03 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > > Interesting thread; I am a smoker, and a smoker who really wants > to quit by > the way. I make absolutely sure that when I smoke, that is does > not interfere > with the health and surroundings of non-smokers. When I first > started smoking, > which was a long time ago, there was not really issues of smokers and > non-smokers being in the same room with each other. Today is > allot different > and many of the people I knew that were smokers are now not > smoking. The US is > vastly becoming a non-smoking nation and although I do not think > that everyone > will quit, I do believe that a large majority will. Everyone has > their rights > and what Tim said holds true, maybe smoking is not comparable to > LSD, speed, > crank or freaky sex, but as 2Live Crew said back in the day "What > I do in my > house, may not be what you do in your house, and what I do in my > house is none > of your business". I also would be interested in knowing from the former > smokers how you quit...What is the easiest way? > > > > > Douglas Brown > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:47 PM > Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > > > Let me frame my reply first: I'm an ex-smoker and when I did smoke I > > tried to be as considerate as Matthew is explaining. As a non-smoker, I > > still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every > > now and then (I call it "sniffing"). > > > > I honestly think, Ben, that you're complaint is with a smaller > > percentage of smokers than you think. I, along with almost every smoker > > I know and have known, do what Matthew described. I honesly think that > > it's a case of "one bad apple ruins the peck". > > > > Even as an ex-smoker, I take issue with the coments about "Also, I don't > > understand how smokers can defend something they clearly know is > > unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of money, etc. I > > mean come on, get a grip!" IMO, it's my choice (as I see Matt making > > the comment that it's all about choice) whether I smoke or not. In my > > case, I did not quit for my health nor my wallet. I quit because my > > wife, who is also an ex-smoker, wanted to quit and I had to choose > > (again, there's that choice word) whether I wanted to support her in a > > loving and considerate manner or show her that I didn't respect her > > choice to quit. If it had not been for that sequence of events, I'd be > > burning one right now, knowing full well (I do have a college degree and > > have seen the ads, waning labels and pictures) the consequences. > > > > For now, I'll make the choice to leave it at that. It's time for a > > three-day weekend (via vacation day). > > > > Happy Weekend! > > Hatton > > > > Life sucks, get a helmet. > > > > Ben Arledge wrote: > > > > > I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to > > > make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. > Perhaps my > > > strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey. > > > > > > Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > > > > > Well, that's the thing. > > > > > > I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being > > > lumped > > > together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your > face, and > > > I > > > don't like that kind of generalization. > > > > > > I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > > > someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > > > > > > I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > > > finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I > light up. I > > > once > > > had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked > > > while > > > they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was > like that, but > > > since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I > > > still > > > ask. > > > > > > I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to > listen to a > > > throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > > > > > > > > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > > >>>>>> > > > clearly > > > > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > > >>>>>> > > >>>money, > > >>> > > >>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > > >>>>>> > > > > > > I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > > > Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > > > > > > And that's where my first response came from. It's my > choice. I don't > > > understand why I should be forced to defend it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > > >>>To: CF-Community > > >>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because > he's fat) > > >>> > > >>>Here you go indeed > > >>> > > >>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > > >>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > > >>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > > >>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > > >>>smoke but might be forced to. > > >>> > > >>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > > >>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > > >>>my health. > > >>> > > >>>-Ben > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>(here we go) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>that they're causing my > > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > > >>>>>> > > > is > > > > > >>>>>>their right. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 > > >>>> > > > yards > > > > > >>>to a > > >>> > > >>>>designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. > > >>>> > > > How > > > > > >>>are > > >>> > > >>>>you affected? > > >>>> > > >>>>Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers > > >>>> > > > were > > > > > >>>out at > > >>> > > >>>>the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk > > >>>> > > > to > > > > > >>>us. > > >>> > > >>>>She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to > > >>>> > > > us > > > > > >>>in > > >>> > > >>>>the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > > >>>> > > >>>>OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or > > >>>> > > > those > > > > > >>>of > > >>> > > >>>>other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. > > >>>> > > > Your > > > > > >>>>fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, > > >>>> > > > no > > > > > >>>more > > >>> > > >>>>for you. > > >>>> > > >>>>Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are > > >>>> > > > required > > > > > >>>to be > > >>> > > >>>>in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be > > >>>> > > >>>there. > > >>> > > >>>>No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell > > >>>> > > > you. > > > > > >>>>You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Matt > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > > >>>>>>To: CF-Community > > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's > > >>>>>> > > > fat) > > > > > >>>>>>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. > > >>>>>> > > > :) > > > > > >>>>>>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my > > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > > >>>>>> > > > is > > > > > >>>>>>their right. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads > > >>>>>> > > > because > > > > > >>>>>>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and > > >>>>>> > > > I'm > > > > > >>>>>>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in > > >>>>>> > > > any > > > > > >>>>>>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually > > >>>>>>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > > >>>>>>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age > > >>>>>>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that > > >>>>>> > > > people > > > > > >>>>>>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have > > >>>>>> > > > your > > > > > >>>>>>personal space violated. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > > >>>>>> > > >>>should > > >>> > > >>>>>>stay home and away from the rest of us. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > > >>>>>> > > > clearly > > > > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > > >>>>>> > > >>>money, > > >>> > > >>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Cheers, > > >>>>>>Ben > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > > >>>>>>To: CF-Community > > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>Tim- > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > > >>>>>>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > > >>>>>>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > > >>>>>>personal decision to smoke has on them? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > > >>>>>>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>-Ben > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>smoking. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>2. The people who whine about each the most are either > > >>>>>>> > > > hypocrites > > > > > >>>>>>(still > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>using the product) or they are former users. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you > > >>>>>>> > > > win) is > > > > > >>>>>>just as > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>stupid as this. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>problems. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my > > >>>>>>> > > > actions > > > > > >>>>>>where > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation > > >>>>>>> > > >>>that > > >>> > > >>>>>>was > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities > > >>>>>>> > > > far > > > > > >>>out > > >>> > > >>>>>>way > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well > > >>>>>>> > > > "Who > > > > > >>>is > > >>> > > >>>>>>John > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Gault?". > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of > > >>>>>>> > > > ability > > > > > >>>>>>somewhere > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a > > >>>>>>> > > >>>day. > > >>> > > >>>>>>>What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Tim Heald > > >>>>>>>Developer > > >>>>>>>Schoollink, Inc. > > >>>>>>>910.223.2116 x 122 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>>>>>From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > > >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community > > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy > > >>>>>>>> > > > SOB > > > > > >>>>>>>>will have a > > >>>>>>>>blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it > > >>>>>>>> > > > dude. > > > > > >>>>>>This is > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line > > >>>>>>>> > > > of > > > > > >>>>>>personal > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>burning > > >>> > > >>>>>>hot > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. > > >>>>>>>> > > > I'm > > > > > >>>glad > > >>> > > >>>>>>you > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect > > >>>>>>>> > > > genetic > > > > > >>>line > > >>> > > >>>>>>lol. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Bill Wheatley > > >>>>>>>>Senior Database Developer > > >>>>>>>>Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > > >>>>>>>>EDIETS.COM > > >>>>>>>>954.360.9022 X159 > > >>>>>>>>ICQ 417645 > > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>>>>From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > > >>>>>>>>Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>fast-food > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>corporations, saying their fatty foods are > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>responsible for his client's obesity and related health > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>problems. > > >>> > > >>>>>>>>>Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York > > >>>>>>>>> > > > state > > > > > >>>>>>>>court in the > > >>>>>>>>Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive > > >>>>>>>>> > > > in > > > > > >>>>>>>>the posting > > >>>>>>>>of their nutritional information, that they > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that > > >>>>>>>>> > > > they > > > > > >>>>>>>>create a de > > >>>>>>>>facto addiction in their consumers, > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>particularly the poor and children. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>"You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>addiction, you're > > >>>>>>>>creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally > > >>>>>>>>> > > > up > > > > > >>>>>>>>front with > > >>>>>>>>the consumers." > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and > > >>>>>>>>> > > > his > > > > > >>>>>>>>client are > > >>>>>>>>seeking. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
