Matt- yo, peace.
also in fairness need to point out that I probably have asthma because my Mom smoked while pregnant and while I was a little kid, and that I watched my Mom die of lung cancer which spread to her brain. -Ben > :P > > Thanks, Ben. > > Everything I said was meant in good humor, more for the purpose of > discussion. I enjoy a good fiery debate as much as the next person. > > I get a little ornery with mass generalizations; though, truthfully, said > generalizations were more inferred by me than directly stated. > > Peace, yo. > > > Matt - smoking heavily in an air-tight closet at home for higher insurance > premiums in your tommorrow > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:13 PM > >>To: CF-Community > >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >> > >>Matthew- > >> > >>If you are that considerate a smoker, then I applaud > >>you, sir, and wish there were more people like you. > >> > >>Sorry if you got the impression I was lumping you in > >>with a homogeneous group. Wasn't saying all smokers are > >>the same. > >> > >>-Ben > >>> Well, that's the thing. > >>> > >>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being > >>lumped > >>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and > >>I > >>> don't like that kind of generalization. > >>> > >>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > >>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > >>> > >>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > >>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I > >>once > >>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked > >>while > >>> they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but > >>> since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I > >>still > >>> ask. > >>> > >>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a > >>> throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > >>> > >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>clearly > >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>> >>money, > >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>> > >>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > >>> Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > >>> > >>> And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't > >>> understand why I should be forced to defend it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>-----Original Message----- > >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > >>> >>To: CF-Community > >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >>> >> > >>> >>Here you go indeed > >>> >> > >>> >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > >>> >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > >>> >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > >>> >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > >>> >>smoke but might be forced to. > >>> >> > >>> >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > >>> >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > >>> >>my health. > >>> >> > >>> >>-Ben > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>> (here we go) > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>that they're causing my > >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>is > >>> >>> >>their right. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 > >>yards > >>> >>to a > >>> >>> designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. > >>How > >>> >>are > >>> >>> you affected? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers > >>were > >>> >>out at > >>> >>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk > >>to > >>> >>us. > >>> >>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to > >>us > >>> >>in > >>> >>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or > >>those > >>> >>of > >>> >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. > >>Your > >>> >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, > >>no > >>> >>more > >>> >>> for you. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are > >>required > >>> >>to be > >>> >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be > >>> >>there. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell > >>you. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Matt > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- > >>> >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community > >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's > >>fat) > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. > >>:) > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my > >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>is > >>> >>> >>their right. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads > >>because > >>> >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and > >>I'm > >>> >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in > >>any > >>> >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually > >>> >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > >>> >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age > >>> >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that > >>people > >>> >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have > >>your > >>> >>> >>personal space violated. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > >>> >>should > >>> >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>clearly > >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>> >>money, > >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Cheers, > >>> >>> >>Ben > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- > >>> >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community > >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>Tim- > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > >>> >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > >>> >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > >>> >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > >>> >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>-Ben > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than > >>> >>> >>smoking. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either > >>hypocrites > >>> >>> >>(still > >>> >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you > >>win) is > >>> >>> >>just as > >>> >>> >>> stupid as this. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > >>> >>> >>problems. > >>> >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my > >>actions > >>> >>> >>where > >>> >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation > >>> >>that > >>> >>> >>was > >>> >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities > >>far > >>> >>out > >>> >>> >>way > >>> >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well > >>"Who > >>> >>is > >>> >>> >>John > >>> >>> >>> Gault?". > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of > >>ability > >>> >>> >>somewhere > >>> >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a > >>> >>day. > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> Tim Heald > >>> >>> >>> Developer > >>> >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. > >>> >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > >>> >>> >>> > To: CF-Community > >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy > >>SOB > >>> >>> >>> > will have a > >>> >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it > >>dude. > >>> >>> >>This is > >>> >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line > >>of > >>> >>> >>personal > >>> >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > >>> >>burning > >>> >>> >>hot > >>> >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. > >>I'm > >>> >>glad > >>> >>> >>you > >>> >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect > >>genetic > >>> >>line > >>> >>> >>lol. > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley > >>> >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer > >>> >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > >>> >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM > >>> >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 > >>> >>> >>> > ICQ 417645 > >>> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > >>> >>> >>fast-food > >>> >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are > >>> >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health > >>> >>problems. > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York > >>state > >>> >>> >>> > court in the > >>> >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > >>> >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive > >>in > >>> >>> >>> > the posting > >>> >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they > >>> >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that > >>they > >>> >>> >>> > create a de > >>> >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, > >>> >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > >>> >>> >>> > addiction, you're > >>> >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > >>> >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally > >>up > >>> >>> >>> > front with > >>> >>> >>> > the consumers." > >>> >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and > >>his > >>> >>> >>> > client are > >>> >>> >>> > seeking. > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
