Is that anything like dieters going by BK or KFC and sniffing? :-) > >> As a non-smoker, I > >>still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every > >>now and then (I call it "sniffing"). > > Lol, my dba does the EXACT same thing with me. > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:48 PM > >>To: CF-Community > >>Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >> > >>Let me frame my reply first: I'm an ex-smoker and when I did smoke I > >>tried to be as considerate as Matthew is explaining. As a non-smoker, I > >>still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every > >>now and then (I call it "sniffing"). > >> > >>I honestly think, Ben, that you're complaint is with a smaller > >>percentage of smokers than you think. I, along with almost every smoker > >>I know and have known, do what Matthew described. I honesly think that > >>it's a case of "one bad apple ruins the peck". > >> > >>Even as an ex-smoker, I take issue with the coments about "Also, I don't > >>understand how smokers can defend something they clearly know is > >>unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of money, etc. I > >>mean come on, get a grip!" IMO, it's my choice (as I see Matt making > >>the comment that it's all about choice) whether I smoke or not. In my > >>case, I did not quit for my health nor my wallet. I quit because my > >>wife, who is also an ex-smoker, wanted to quit and I had to choose > >>(again, there's that choice word) whether I wanted to support her in a > >>loving and considerate manner or show her that I didn't respect her > >>choice to quit. If it had not been for that sequence of events, I'd be > >>burning one right now, knowing full well (I do have a college degree and > >>have seen the ads, waning labels and pictures) the consequences. > >> > >>For now, I'll make the choice to leave it at that. It's time for a > >>three-day weekend (via vacation day). > >> > >>Happy Weekend! > >>Hatton > >> > >>Life sucks, get a helmet. > >> > >>Ben Arledge wrote: > >> > >>> I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to > >>> make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. Perhaps my > >>> strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey. > >>> > >>> Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Ben > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM > >>> To: CF-Community > >>> Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >>> > >>> Well, that's the thing. > >>> > >>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being > >>> lumped > >>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and > >>> I > >>> don't like that kind of generalization. > >>> > >>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > >>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > >>> > >>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > >>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I > >>> once > >>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked > >>> while > >>> they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but > >>> since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I > >>> still > >>> ask. > >>> > >>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a > >>> throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>>>>>>> > >>> clearly > >>> > >>>>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>money, > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > >>> Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > >>> > >>> And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't > >>> understand why I should be forced to defend it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > >>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >>>>> > >>>>>Here you go indeed > >>>>> > >>>>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > >>>>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > >>>>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > >>>>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > >>>>>smoke but might be forced to. > >>>>> > >>>>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > >>>>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > >>>>>my health. > >>>>> > >>>>>-Ben > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>(here we go) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>that they're causing my > >>>>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>>>>>>> > >>> is > >>> > >>>>>>>>their right. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 > >>>>>> > >>> yards > >>> > >>>>>to a > >>>>> > >>>>>>designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. > >>>>>> > >>> How > >>> > >>>>>are > >>>>> > >>>>>>you affected? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers > >>>>>> > >>> were > >>> > >>>>>out at > >>>>> > >>>>>>the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk > >>>>>> > >>> to > >>> > >>>>>us. > >>>>> > >>>>>>She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to > >>>>>> > >>> us > >>> > >>>>>in > >>>>> > >>>>>>the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or > >>>>>> > >>> those > >>> > >>>>>of > >>>>> > >>>>>>other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. > >>>>>> > >>> Your > >>> > >>>>>>fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, > >>>>>> > >>> no > >>> > >>>>>more > >>>>> > >>>>>>for you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are > >>>>>> > >>> required > >>> > >>>>>to be > >>>>> > >>>>>>in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be > >>>>>> > >>>>>there. > >>>>> > >>>>>>No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell > >>>>>> > >>> you. > >>> > >>>>>>You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Matt > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's > >>>>>>>> > >>> fat) > >>> > >>>>>>>>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. > >>>>>>>> > >>> :) > >>> > >>>>>>>>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my > >>>>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>>>>>>> > >>> is > >>> > >>>>>>>>their right. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads > >>>>>>>> > >>> because > >>> > >>>>>>>>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and > >>>>>>>> > >>> I'm > >>> > >>>>>>>>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in > >>>>>>>> > >>> any > >>> > >>>>>>>>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually > >>>>>>>>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > >>>>>>>>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age > >>>>>>>>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that > >>>>>>>> > >>> people > >>> > >>>>>>>>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have > >>>>>>>> > >>> your > >>> > >>>>>>>>personal space violated. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>should > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>stay home and away from the rest of us. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>>>>>>> > >>> clearly > >>> > >>>>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>money, > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Cheers, > >>>>>>>>Ben > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Tim- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > >>>>>>>>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > >>>>>>>>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > >>>>>>>>personal decision to smoke has on them? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > >>>>>>>>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-Ben > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>smoking. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>2. The people who whine about each the most are either > >>>>>>>>> > >>> hypocrites > >>> > >>>>>>>>(still > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>using the product) or they are former users. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you > >>>>>>>>> > >>> win) is > >>> > >>>>>>>>just as > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>stupid as this. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>problems. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my > >>>>>>>>> > >>> actions > >>> > >>>>>>>>where > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>that > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>was > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities > >>>>>>>>> > >>> far > >>> > >>>>>out > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>way > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well > >>>>>>>>> > >>> "Who > >>> > >>>>>is > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>John > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Gault?". > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of > >>>>>>>>> > >>> ability > >>> > >>>>>>>>somewhere > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>day. > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Tim Heald > >>>>>>>>>Developer > >>>>>>>>>Schoollink, Inc. > >>>>>>>>>910.223.2116 x 122 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > >>>>>>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> SOB > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>will have a > >>>>>>>>>>blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> dude. > >>> > >>>>>>>>This is > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> of > >>> > >>>>>>>>personal > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>burning > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>hot > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> I'm > >>> > >>>>>glad > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>you > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect > >>>>>>>>>> > >>> genetic > >>> > >>>>>line > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>lol. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Bill Wheatley > >>>>>>>>>>Senior Database Developer > >>>>>>>>>>Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > >>>>>>>>>>EDIETS.COM > >>>>>>>>>>954.360.9022 X159 > >>>>>>>>>>ICQ 417645 > >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>>>From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>fast-food > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>corporations, saying their fatty foods are > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>responsible for his client's obesity and related health > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>problems. > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> state > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>court in the > >>>>>>>>>>Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> in > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>the posting > >>>>>>>>>>of their nutritional information, that they > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> they > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>create a de > >>>>>>>>>>facto addiction in their consumers, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>particularly the poor and children. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>"You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>addiction, you're > >>>>>>>>>>creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> up > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>front with > >>>>>>>>>>the consumers." > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> his > >>> > >>>>>>>>>>client are > >>>>>>>>>>seeking. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
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