>>Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :)

You just got the EXACT point of my entire response.  Thanks.  I was hoping
someone would pick up on that.

Some would say I choose to respond, others might say your posting forced my
hand.  I would say I chose to.

In the end, it's all about choice.  Freedom, choice, the greatest gifts
humans have, it's what makes us who we are, as a species and induvidualy.


>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:24 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>
>>I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to
>>make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. Perhaps my
>>strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey.
>>
>>Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Ben
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>
>>Well, that's the thing.
>>
>>I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being
>>lumped
>>together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and
>>I
>>don't like that kind of generalization.
>>
>>I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke.  If
>>someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else.
>>
>>I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have
>>finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up.  I
>>once
>>had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked
>>while
>>they were eating.  She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but
>>since then, I always ask.  No one has said "yes, please wait", but I
>>still
>>ask.
>>
>>I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too.  Ever had to listen to a
>>throbbing bass track at a stop light?  Even seen a KKK rally?
>>
>>>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
>>clearly
>>>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>>>money,
>>>>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
>>
>>I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet.  I like it.
>>Really.  Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey.
>>
>>And that's where my first response came from.  It's my choice.  I don't
>>understand why I should be forced to defend it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM
>>>>To: CF-Community
>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>>>
>>>>Here you go indeed
>>>>
>>>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non-
>>>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the
>>>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're
>>>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your
>>>>smoke but might be forced to.
>>>>
>>>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not
>>>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects
>>>>my health.
>>>>
>>>>-Ben
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> (here we go)
>>>>>
>>>>> >>that they're causing my
>>>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
>>is
>>>>> >>their right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30
>>yards
>>>>to a
>>>>> designated smoking area.  The only others around are other smokers.
>>How
>>>>are
>>>>> you affected?
>>>>>
>>>>> Funny that you mention this.  Yesterday, I and two other smokers
>>were
>>>>out at
>>>>> the smoking area.  Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk
>>to
>>>>us.
>>>>> She is a non-smoker.  She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to
>>us
>>>>in
>>>>> the office.  She chose to join us.  Were we forcing her to smoke?
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it.  Your guns (or
>>those
>>>>of
>>>>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them.
>>Your
>>>>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care,
>>no
>>>>more
>>>>> for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are
>>required
>>>>to be
>>>>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise.  You better be
>>>>there.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me.  Think the way I tell
>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>> You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM
>>>>> >>To: CF-Community
>>>>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's
>>fat)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here.
>>:)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my
>>>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
>>is
>>>>> >>their right.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads
>>because
>>>>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and
>>I'm
>>>>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in
>>any
>>>>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually
>>>>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from
>>>>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age
>>>>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that
>>people
>>>>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have
>>your
>>>>> >>personal space violated.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he
>>>>should
>>>>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
>>clearly
>>>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>>>money,
>>>>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Anybody else feel the same way?  Or disagree?  :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Cheers,
>>>>> >>Ben
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM
>>>>> >>To: CF-Community
>>>>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Tim-
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to
>>>>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream
>>>>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your
>>>>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights
>>>>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>-Ben
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than
>>>>> >>smoking.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 1.  Everyone knows both products are bad for them.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either
>>hypocrites
>>>>> >>(still
>>>>> >>> using the product) or they are former users.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you
>>win) is
>>>>> >>just as
>>>>> >>> stupid as this.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I am a smoker.  I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other
>>>>> >>problems.
>>>>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my
>>actions
>>>>> >>where
>>>>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned.  How is it that the nation
>>>>that
>>>>> >>was
>>>>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities
>>far
>>>>out
>>>>> >>way
>>>>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it.  Oh well
>>"Who
>>>>is
>>>>> >>John
>>>>> >>> Gault?".
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of
>>ability
>>>>> >>somewhere
>>>>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a
>>>>day.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> What was it called?  Galt's Gulch?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Tim Heald
>>>>> >>> Developer
>>>>> >>> Schoollink, Inc.
>>>>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM
>>>>> >>> > To: CF-Community
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy
>>SOB
>>>>> >>> > will have a
>>>>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it
>>dude.
>>>>> >>This is
>>>>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line
>>of
>>>>> >>personal
>>>>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill
>>>>burning
>>>>> >>hot
>>>>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen??
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!.
>>I'm
>>>>glad
>>>>> >>you
>>>>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect
>>genetic
>>>>line
>>>>> >>lol.
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > Bill Wheatley
>>>>> >>> > Senior Database Developer
>>>>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
>>>>> >>> > EDIETS.COM
>>>>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159
>>>>> >>> > ICQ 417645
>>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM
>>>>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger?
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big
>>>>> >>fast-food
>>>>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are
>>>>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health
>>>>problems.
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York
>>state
>>>>> >>> > court in the
>>>>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King,
>>>>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive
>>in
>>>>> >>> > the posting
>>>>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they
>>>>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that
>>they
>>>>> >>> > create a de
>>>>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers,
>>>>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children.
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an
>>>>> >>> > addiction, you're
>>>>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think
>>>>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally
>>up
>>>>> >>> > front with
>>>>> >>> > the consumers."
>>>>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and
>>his
>>>>> >>> > client are
>>>>> >>> > seeking.
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> > >
>>>>> >>> >
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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