>>Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) You just got the EXACT point of my entire response. Thanks. I was hoping someone would pick up on that.
Some would say I choose to respond, others might say your posting forced my hand. I would say I chose to. In the end, it's all about choice. Freedom, choice, the greatest gifts humans have, it's what makes us who we are, as a species and induvidualy. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:24 PM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >> >>I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to >>make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. Perhaps my >>strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey. >> >>Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) >> >>Cheers, >>Ben >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >> >>Well, that's the thing. >> >>I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being >>lumped >>together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and >>I >>don't like that kind of generalization. >> >>I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If >>someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. >> >>I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have >>finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I >>once >>had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked >>while >>they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but >>since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I >>still >>ask. >> >>I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a >>throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? >> >>>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>clearly >>>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>>>money, >>>>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >> >>I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. >>Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. >> >>And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't >>understand why I should be forced to defend it. >> >> >> >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM >>>>To: CF-Community >>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >>>> >>>>Here you go indeed >>>> >>>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- >>>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the >>>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're >>>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your >>>>smoke but might be forced to. >>>> >>>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not >>>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects >>>>my health. >>>> >>>>-Ben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> (here we go) >>>>> >>>>> >>that they're causing my >>>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>is >>>>> >>their right. >>>>> >>>>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 >>yards >>>>to a >>>>> designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. >>How >>>>are >>>>> you affected? >>>>> >>>>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers >>were >>>>out at >>>>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk >>to >>>>us. >>>>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to >>us >>>>in >>>>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? >>>>> >>>>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or >>those >>>>of >>>>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. >>Your >>>>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, >>no >>>>more >>>>> for you. >>>>> >>>>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are >>required >>>>to be >>>>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be >>>>there. >>>>> >>>>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell >>you. >>>>> >>>>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Matt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM >>>>> >>To: CF-Community >>>>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's >>fat) >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. >>:) >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my >>>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>is >>>>> >>their right. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads >>because >>>>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and >>I'm >>>>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in >>any >>>>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually >>>>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from >>>>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age >>>>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that >>people >>>>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have >>your >>>>> >>personal space violated. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he >>>>should >>>>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>clearly >>>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>>>money, >>>>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Cheers, >>>>> >>Ben >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM >>>>> >>To: CF-Community >>>>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>> >> >>>>> >>Tim- >>>>> >> >>>>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." >>>>> >> >>>>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to >>>>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream >>>>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. >>>>> >> >>>>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your >>>>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? >>>>> >> >>>>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights >>>>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? >>>>> >> >>>>> >>-Ben >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than >>>>> >>smoking. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either >>hypocrites >>>>> >>(still >>>>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you >>win) is >>>>> >>just as >>>>> >>> stupid as this. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other >>>>> >>problems. >>>>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my >>actions >>>>> >>where >>>>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation >>>>that >>>>> >>was >>>>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities >>far >>>>out >>>>> >>way >>>>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well >>"Who >>>>is >>>>> >>John >>>>> >>> Gault?". >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of >>ability >>>>> >>somewhere >>>>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a >>>>day. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Tim Heald >>>>> >>> Developer >>>>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. >>>>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM >>>>> >>> > To: CF-Community >>>>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy >>SOB >>>>> >>> > will have a >>>>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it >>dude. >>>>> >>This is >>>>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line >>of >>>>> >>personal >>>>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill >>>>burning >>>>> >>hot >>>>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. >>I'm >>>>glad >>>>> >>you >>>>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect >>genetic >>>>line >>>>> >>lol. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Bill Wheatley >>>>> >>> > Senior Database Developer >>>>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer >>>>> >>> > EDIETS.COM >>>>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 >>>>> >>> > ICQ 417645 >>>>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM >>>>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big >>>>> >>fast-food >>>>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are >>>>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health >>>>problems. >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York >>state >>>>> >>> > court in the >>>>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, >>>>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive >>in >>>>> >>> > the posting >>>>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they >>>>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that >>they >>>>> >>> > create a de >>>>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, >>>>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an >>>>> >>> > addiction, you're >>>>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think >>>>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally >>up >>>>> >>> > front with >>>>> >>> > the consumers." >>>>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and >>his >>>>> >>> > client are >>>>> >>> > seeking. >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
