>> As a non-smoker, I >>still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every >>now and then (I call it "sniffing").
Lol, my dba does the EXACT same thing with me. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:48 PM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >> >>Let me frame my reply first: I'm an ex-smoker and when I did smoke I >>tried to be as considerate as Matthew is explaining. As a non-smoker, I >>still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every >>now and then (I call it "sniffing"). >> >>I honestly think, Ben, that you're complaint is with a smaller >>percentage of smokers than you think. I, along with almost every smoker >>I know and have known, do what Matthew described. I honesly think that >>it's a case of "one bad apple ruins the peck". >> >>Even as an ex-smoker, I take issue with the coments about "Also, I don't >>understand how smokers can defend something they clearly know is >>unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of money, etc. I >>mean come on, get a grip!" IMO, it's my choice (as I see Matt making >>the comment that it's all about choice) whether I smoke or not. In my >>case, I did not quit for my health nor my wallet. I quit because my >>wife, who is also an ex-smoker, wanted to quit and I had to choose >>(again, there's that choice word) whether I wanted to support her in a >>loving and considerate manner or show her that I didn't respect her >>choice to quit. If it had not been for that sequence of events, I'd be >>burning one right now, knowing full well (I do have a college degree and >>have seen the ads, waning labels and pictures) the consequences. >> >>For now, I'll make the choice to leave it at that. It's time for a >>three-day weekend (via vacation day). >> >>Happy Weekend! >>Hatton >> >>Life sucks, get a helmet. >> >>Ben Arledge wrote: >> >>> I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to >>> make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. Perhaps my >>> strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey. >>> >>> Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Ben >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM >>> To: CF-Community >>> Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >>> >>> Well, that's the thing. >>> >>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being >>> lumped >>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and >>> I >>> don't like that kind of generalization. >>> >>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If >>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. >>> >>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have >>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I >>> once >>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked >>> while >>> they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but >>> since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I >>> still >>> ask. >>> >>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a >>> throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? >>> >>> >>>>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>>>>>>> >>> clearly >>> >>>>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>>>>>>> >>>>>money, >>>>> >>>>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>>>>>>> >>> >>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. >>> Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. >>> >>> And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't >>> understand why I should be forced to defend it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM >>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >>>>> >>>>>Here you go indeed >>>>> >>>>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- >>>>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the >>>>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're >>>>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your >>>>>smoke but might be forced to. >>>>> >>>>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not >>>>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects >>>>>my health. >>>>> >>>>>-Ben >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>(here we go) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>that they're causing my >>>>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>>>>>>> >>> is >>> >>>>>>>>their right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 >>>>>> >>> yards >>> >>>>>to a >>>>> >>>>>>designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. >>>>>> >>> How >>> >>>>>are >>>>> >>>>>>you affected? >>>>>> >>>>>>Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers >>>>>> >>> were >>> >>>>>out at >>>>> >>>>>>the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk >>>>>> >>> to >>> >>>>>us. >>>>> >>>>>>She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to >>>>>> >>> us >>> >>>>>in >>>>> >>>>>>the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? >>>>>> >>>>>>OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or >>>>>> >>> those >>> >>>>>of >>>>> >>>>>>other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. >>>>>> >>> Your >>> >>>>>>fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, >>>>>> >>> no >>> >>>>>more >>>>> >>>>>>for you. >>>>>> >>>>>>Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are >>>>>> >>> required >>> >>>>>to be >>>>> >>>>>>in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be >>>>>> >>>>>there. >>>>> >>>>>>No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell >>>>>> >>> you. >>> >>>>>>You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Matt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's >>>>>>>> >>> fat) >>> >>>>>>>>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. >>>>>>>> >>> :) >>> >>>>>>>>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my >>>>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>>>>>>> >>> is >>> >>>>>>>>their right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads >>>>>>>> >>> because >>> >>>>>>>>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and >>>>>>>> >>> I'm >>> >>>>>>>>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in >>>>>>>> >>> any >>> >>>>>>>>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually >>>>>>>>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from >>>>>>>>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age >>>>>>>>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that >>>>>>>> >>> people >>> >>>>>>>>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have >>>>>>>> >>> your >>> >>>>>>>>personal space violated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he >>>>>>>> >>>>>should >>>>> >>>>>>>>stay home and away from the rest of us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>>>>>>> >>> clearly >>> >>>>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>>>>>>> >>>>>money, >>>>> >>>>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Cheers, >>>>>>>>Ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Tim- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to >>>>>>>>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream >>>>>>>>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>When you eat, it directly affects only you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>are you taking responsibility for the effect your >>>>>>>>personal decision to smoke has on them? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights >>>>>>>>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-Ben >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>smoking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>2. The people who whine about each the most are either >>>>>>>>> >>> hypocrites >>> >>>>>>>>(still >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>using the product) or they are former users. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you >>>>>>>>> >>> win) is >>> >>>>>>>>just as >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>stupid as this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>problems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my >>>>>>>>> >>> actions >>> >>>>>>>>where >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation >>>>>>>>> >>>>>that >>>>> >>>>>>>>was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities >>>>>>>>> >>> far >>> >>>>>out >>>>> >>>>>>>>way >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>those of the community, has fallen to such a low. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well >>>>>>>>> >>> "Who >>> >>>>>is >>>>> >>>>>>>>John >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Gault?". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of >>>>>>>>> >>> ability >>> >>>>>>>>somewhere >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a >>>>>>>>> >>>>>day. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>What was it called? Galt's Gulch? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tim Heald >>>>>>>>>Developer >>>>>>>>>Schoollink, Inc. >>>>>>>>>910.223.2116 x 122 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM >>>>>>>>>>To: CF-Community >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy >>>>>>>>>> >>> SOB >>> >>>>>>>>>>will have a >>>>>>>>>>blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it >>>>>>>>>> >>> dude. >>> >>>>>>>>This is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line >>>>>>>>>> >>> of >>> >>>>>>>>personal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>burning >>>>> >>>>>>>>hot >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. >>>>>>>>>> >>> I'm >>> >>>>>glad >>>>> >>>>>>>>you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect >>>>>>>>>> >>> genetic >>> >>>>>line >>>>> >>>>>>>>lol. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Bill Wheatley >>>>>>>>>>Senior Database Developer >>>>>>>>>>Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer >>>>>>>>>>EDIETS.COM >>>>>>>>>>954.360.9022 X159 >>>>>>>>>>ICQ 417645 >>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM >>>>>>>>>>Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>fast-food >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>corporations, saying their fatty foods are >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>responsible for his client's obesity and related health >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>problems. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York >>>>>>>>>>> >>> state >>> >>>>>>>>>>court in the >>>>>>>>>>Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive >>>>>>>>>>> >>> in >>> >>>>>>>>>>the posting >>>>>>>>>>of their nutritional information, that they >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that >>>>>>>>>>> >>> they >>> >>>>>>>>>>create a de >>>>>>>>>>facto addiction in their consumers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>particularly the poor and children. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>"You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>addiction, you're >>>>>>>>>>creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally >>>>>>>>>>> >>> up >>> >>>>>>>>>>front with >>>>>>>>>>the consumers." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and >>>>>>>>>>> >>> his >>> >>>>>>>>>>client are >>>>>>>>>>seeking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
