I give up. If you can still equate smoking with acid, ecstasy, or sex after all these posts, then you just don't understand.
I'm done with this thread, sorry. -Ben > I personally am at a loss. When is it you don't want me to be able to > smoke? Is it no smoking at all? Ok what I do on private property (weather > that be smoke, drop acid ecstasy, have freaky sex) as an adult, should not > be any of your business. When are you finding yourself in a situation where > you are forced to be in a room full of smokers? > > What restaurants? You choose to go to the restaurant. They (the owners) > choose to allow smoking. Where is the problem there? I am one of two > smokers where I work. I know that I can't inside, or in the car with the > people I work with. I know we are going to sit at a non-smoking table when > we go to eat. I decide to be around them, and I know they don't want it > there. What I am not seeing > > Tim Heald > Developer > Schoollink, Inc. > 910.223.2116 x 122 > > > http://www.schoollink.net > Providing technology solutions for educators > > Fusebox Advisory Committee > http://www.fusebox.org > > Fayetteville ColdFusion User Group > http://www.fcfug.org > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:31 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > > > > > :P > > > > Thanks, Ben. > > > > Everything I said was meant in good humor, more for the purpose of > > discussion. I enjoy a good fiery debate as much as the next person. > > > > I get a little ornery with mass generalizations; though, truthfully, said > > generalizations were more inferred by me than directly stated. > > > > Peace, yo. > > > > > > Matt - smoking heavily in an air-tight closet at home for higher insurance > > premiums in your tommorrow > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:13 PM > > >>To: CF-Community > > >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > >> > > >>Matthew- > > >> > > >>If you are that considerate a smoker, then I applaud > > >>you, sir, and wish there were more people like you. > > >> > > >>Sorry if you got the impression I was lumping you in > > >>with a homogeneous group. Wasn't saying all smokers are > > >>the same. > > >> > > >>-Ben > > >>> Well, that's the thing. > > >>> > > >>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being > > >>lumped > > >>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your > > face, and > > >>I > > >>> don't like that kind of generalization. > > >>> > > >>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > > >>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > > >>> > > >>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > > >>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I > > light up. I > > >>once > > >>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked > > >>while > > >>> they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was > > like that, but > > >>> since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I > > >>still > > >>> ask. > > >>> > > >>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to > > listen to a > > >>> throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > > >>> > > >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > > >>clearly > > >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if > > unintentional), waste of > > >>> >>money, > > >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > > >>> > > >>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > > >>> Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > > >>> > > >>> And that's where my first response came from. It's my > > choice. I don't > > >>> understand why I should be forced to defend it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >>-----Original Message----- > > >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > > >>> >>To: CF-Community > > >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains > > because he's fat) > > >>> >> > > >>> >>Here you go indeed > > >>> >> > > >>> >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > > >>> >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > > >>> >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > > >>> >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > > >>> >>smoke but might be forced to. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > > >>> >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > > >>> >>my health. > > >>> >> > > >>> >>-Ben > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >>> (here we go) > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>that they're causing my > > >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what > > they claim > > >>is > > >>> >>> >>their right. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 > > >>yards > > >>> >>to a > > >>> >>> designated smoking area. The only others around are > > other smokers. > > >>How > > >>> >>are > > >>> >>> you affected? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers > > >>were > > >>> >>out at > > >>> >>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out > > there to talk > > >>to > > >>> >>us. > > >>> >>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, > > and talked to > > >>us > > >>> >>in > > >>> >>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or > > >>those > > >>> >>of > > >>> >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. > > >>Your > > >>> >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, > > >>no > > >>> >>more > > >>> >>> for you. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are > > >>required > > >>> >>to be > > >>> >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You > > better be > > >>> >>there. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell > > >>you. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> Matt > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- > > >>> >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > > >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community > > >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains > > because he's > > >>fat) > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of > > Ben's here. > > >>:) > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're > > causing my > > >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what > > they claim > > >>is > > >>> >>> >>their right. > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads > > >>because > > >>> >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a > > smoker, and > > >>I'm > > >>> >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in > > >>any > > >>> >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) > > it's actually > > >>> >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > > >>> >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care > > resources for age > > >>> >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that > > >>people > > >>> >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have > > >>your > > >>> >>> >>personal space violated. > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > > >>> >>should > > >>> >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > > >>clearly > > >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if > > unintentional), waste of > > >>> >>money, > > >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Cheers, > > >>> >>> >>Ben > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- > > >>> >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > > >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community > > >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>Tim- > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > > >>> >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > > >>> >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > > >>> >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > > >>> >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>-Ben > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that > > different than > > >>> >>> >>smoking. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either > > >>hypocrites > > >>> >>> >>(still > > >>> >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you > > >>win) is > > >>> >>> >>just as > > >>> >>> >>> stupid as this. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > > >>> >>> >>problems. > > >>> >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my > > >>actions > > >>> >>> >>where > > >>> >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that > > the nation > > >>> >>that > > >>> >>> >>was > > >>> >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities > > >>far > > >>> >>out > > >>> >>> >>way > > >>> >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well > > >>"Who > > >>> >>is > > >>> >>> >>John > > >>> >>> >>> Gault?". > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of > > >>ability > > >>> >>> >>somewhere > > >>> >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there > > and call it a > > >>> >>day. > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> Tim Heald > > >>> >>> >>> Developer > > >>> >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. > > >>> >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- > > >>> >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > > >>> >>> >>> > To: CF-Community > > >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy > > >>SOB > > >>> >>> >>> > will have a > > >>> >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it > > >>dude. > > >>> >>> >>This is > > >>> >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line > > >>of > > >>> >>> >>personal > > >>> >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > > >>> >>burning > > >>> >>> >>hot > > >>> >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. > > >>I'm > > >>> >>glad > > >>> >>> >>you > > >>> >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect > > >>genetic > > >>> >>line > > >>> >>> >>lol. > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley > > >>> >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer > > >>> >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > > >>> >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM > > >>> >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 > > >>> >>> >>> > ICQ 417645 > > >>> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > > >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > > >>> >>> >>fast-food > > >>> >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are > > >>> >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health > > >>> >>problems. > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York > > >>state > > >>> >>> >>> > court in the > > >>> >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > > >>> >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and > > deceptive > > >>in > > >>> >>> >>> > the posting > > >>> >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they > > >>> >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that > > >>they > > >>> >>> >>> > create a de > > >>> >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, > > >>> >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > > >>> >>> >>> > addiction, you're > > >>> >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > > >>> >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not > > been totally > > >>up > > >>> >>> >>> > front with > > >>> >>> >>> > the consumers." > > >>> >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and > > >>his > > >>> >>> >>> > client are > > >>> >>> >>> > seeking. > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > > >>> >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> >> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >> > > >>> > > >> > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
