> Unless you can tell the future you have absolutely NO idea if the child
> will be miserable. Heck, even if the child is born poor, it does not
> mean the child will stay poor. Just because the child is born into a
> poor family does not mean the cild will be miserable, or turn to crime.

An unwanted child, born to a 15 year old crack addict is not likely to have
much opportunity.

>
> First, I said convenient to mark the difference between a woman who has
> to have an abortion because her life is in danger and one who chooses
> to. I don't feel like I have to defend myself when it comes to women. If
> you have a problem with my word, then please accept my apology. However,
> now I think the distinction is made, so can we accept that there _is_ a
> difference?

You are talking two very opposite sides of a very grey continuum.  You say
its ok if the mother's life is in danger.  But not if its someone who uses
abortions instead of birth control. This leaves out almost everyone who
actually has an abortion.  So I am not comfortable only talking about those
two extremes.

>. Think about the last time you
> felt really, really bad. You probably wanted to die. I know I've been
> there. Am I glad I didn't off myself? heck yes!

I have never ever ever wanted to die.  I am sorry people feel this way.

I have not experienced life as an unwanted child, nor do I want to.  I doubt
you have either.


> Thirdly - what about woemn who use BCP and get pregnant anyway? To me,
> this is an accident. However, the use of abortion is not appropriate.
> Again, using my earlier email - I may _want_ to seal something instead
> of paying for it - but I can't.
>
> Lastly - your comment on men. You would not allow me to make such a
> statement about women (all women are #insert#), so why make it about
> men? It's unfortunate that so many men are assholes, but you cannot say
> that about all men. Are you saying some women don't have abortions so
> they won't have to deal with the responsibility? As it stands - a man's
> role is more than just screwing someone. The woman may have the child
> for 9 months, but both parents have the child for 18 years.
>


Well you did make comments about women who have abortions  - you said
abortions were a "convenience" to them.   I assure you that to most women
having an abortion it is NOT a convenience, its a terrible, difficult
decision and many of the women at the clinic i volunteered at were
devastated at having to make this decision.  They were oftentimes
responsible people who made a mistake or whom were unlucky.  I assure you
that most of the women getting abortions (I volunteered at a clinic for
several years) did not have responsible men escorting them to get abortions.

In EVERY SINGLE surprise pregnancy there is a man responsible too.  A man
who most likely could have prevented that pregnancy by wearing a condom.
But I guess a condom is too inconvenient....  Quite frankly, responsibility
for birth control should fall equally on the man as the woman.

Until men are capable of getting unexpectedly pregnant, or are all taking
responsibility for birth control, they shouldn't be able to dictate what
women get to do if they get pregnant.

I of course know there are responsible men in the world. I live with one and
am friends with many others, several of whom have full custody of their
children.  But to mark every woman who has an abortion without it being a
life threatening pregnancy as having an abortion of convenience strikes me
as quite sexist - why not blame the guys who knocked them up in the first
place?



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