> So someone else gets to make the call? Pro-choice people blame pro-lifes
> for taking choice from them - aren't they taking the choice away from
> the child?
>

do you consider a fetus a child?

> Agreed. But neither do I want to assume the child would be better off
> dead.

And I am not assuming that, just pointing out the possibility.

> Beth - can we _please_ get past this. I said I was sorry for misuse of
> the word. Enough already.

I missed the "sorry", just saw lots of mumbo jumbo about how I slammed men.
Fair enough.


> Agreed. At the same time - if the man refused to wear a condom, why
> didn't the woman refuse to have sex?

And they are both EQUALLY as guilty for the resulting pregnancy.


> I do blame them. I never said I didn't. If I get a women pregnent, it's
> my responsbility to care the child. (If my wife lets me live.) If a
> woman chooses to have an abortion, it's her responsibility as well. If
> men _could_ get pregnant, I wouldn't place any less blame on them if
> they had an bortion.

So basically, your entire point boils down to that no woman should have an
abortion unless its life threatening because  the child has a soul.

I can't argue with this point, its your belief and thats fine....as long as
you recognize that its a religious belief.


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