::nod:: I agree with most of what you are saying here, except for no minds
being changed. I have learned from the rants of others here... perhaps by
increments we do change each others' minds.

That being said I have no quarrel with the sincere beliefs of others except
where they impugn mine. The "catholics are not christians" thing had been
bugging me for a while.

Dana

Doug White writes:

> I am at that.  Although I am a New Testament Baptist, (not southern Baptist) I
> have issues with some of the doctrine.  In fact I have issues with a lot of
> doctrines.  Most of these are born out of personal study as opposed to the
> schema advanced by the individual church leaders.  My father was a fundamental
> Baptist preacher.  And everyone knows about "Preacher's kids!" :-)
> 
> They are taught in the seminaries to use the expository method of
> preaching/teaching the gospel, however, this ends up with them using
> out-of-context passages of scripture to prove an absolute, which I consider to
> be in error.  This consequently makes their followers adopt the dogma without
> doing personal study therefore are arguing a single person's interpretation, as
> opposed to the general theme that the bible teaches which is salvation by faith.
> 
> One must realize that most any point can be "proven" by grabbing a single
> chapter or verse from somewhere in the collection of books.  It is a little more
> difficult to be Catholic, because the Church has adopted additional books to be
> a part of their doctrine.
> 
> Following the doctrine of separation of church and state, which, incidentally is
> NOT a provision of the US constitution, I have issues with any biblical "law"
> that is adopted into civil law, and then enforced against those who subscribe to
> a different doctrine.  I do not have issues with those who, by personal choice,
> choose to obey these biblical laws.  I do have issues with their use of these to
> discriminate against others, or following some kind of agenda by which they wish
> to control the lives of those who subscribe to a different doctrine or
> interpretation.
> 
> I still feel and respect it in others to have a faith, especially when they are
> devout in their belief.  I don't see a reason to defend the faith, because I
> consider faith a personal matter, and no minds are going to be changed on a
> CF-Community list.
> 
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Yet another scumbag parent....
> 
> 
> | Clearly. There seem to be several Jewish people for a start, and John,
> | Larry and Doug seem a bit cynical on the subject of religion.
> |
> | I was just taking issue with the concept that if you aren't a
> | fundamentalist southern baptist you are not a christian. I don't think this
> | was Mattew's primary point but he does seem to believe it.
> |
> | Call it my rant for the day.
> |
> | Dana
> |
> | Kevin Graeme writes:
> |
> | > IMO, there's a difference between non-Christian and anti-Christian. I
> | > think there are many non-Christians on this list.
> | >
> | > -Kevin
> |
> 
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