The sunroom is next to our bedroom so I am close by. I leave the doors open and since I get up about every hour or so anyway during the night and sleep extremely lightly, they get checked on about as much as if I were dozing in the room with them. Old age has it benefits as well as its problems <sigh>. All the best, Susan Cochran
----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [CKCS-L] Primary Uterine Inertia? > Hi, Susan, > Thanks for this. I, too prefer the least intervention. However, I do > pull the all nighters as I won't sleep if I am not there nearby at any > rate. <G>. > > We are going for a walk now..... > > Suze > > Susan Cochran wrote: > > > > If she whelped naturally last time, then just be patient. The time to worry > > is if she breaks water and nothing happens after that. We've had as long as > > 2 hours between water breaking and a live birth. > > > > Over the last few years, we have done less and less intervention as I want > > our girls to free whelp. I'm getting too old to pull those "all nighters". > > This seems to be working as our last litter was totally free whelped. Phoebe > > didn't want my help although I checked on her every hour or two during the > > night. I left the light on in the sunroom so she could see what she was > > doing and so I could peek in at her every time I got up without disturbing > > her. If I stepped in, she would pick the puppies up in her mouth, tuck them > > under her and out of sight. She would let me check them, but she wanted to > > "do it herself". > > All the best, > > Susan Cochran > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Susan A. Schlenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:29 AM > > Subject: [CKCS-L] Primary Uterine Inertia? > > > > > Hi, List, > > > Now I really need an opinion. Same bitch, second > > > litter. Her temp dropped at 1:00 pm and stayed down yesterday. (As I > > > write it is 99.1). She was panting and nesting all night (I was > > > sleeping next to the whelping box or a reasonable facsimile of the > > > occasional nap). Water hasn't broken to my knowledge. > > > > > > The last time she whelped her temp pattern was as > > > follows: > > > > > > 10:00 am, 99.8 10:00 pm, 100.0 > > > 10:00 am, 99.2 2:00 pm, 99.6 10:00 pm 99.1 (began nesting and panting > > > after midnight) > > > 10:00 am, 98.8 12:45 pum, 99.1 4:00 pu, 97.8 10:00 pum 98.1 (water > > > broke > > > shortly after and productive labor began). > > > > > > She produced her first puppy "true breech" (upside down, breech) and > > > large, stuck. Placenta though attached was "thready" body of the pup > > > was ridged on presentation. Delivered with contractions/traction > > > slowly. Couldn't revive the pup with swinging, dopram, etc. Four > > > healthy pups free whelped followed. No further problems. Literature > > > suggests that in temp pattern such as above a pup has detached from the > > > uterine wall and is ready to be born. (Which is why we hear they > > > shouldn't labor in primary stage more than twenty four hours from temp > > > drop). > > > > > > > > > The current litter temp pattern: > > > > > > 10:00 am, 100.1 2:00 pm 99.6 6:00 pm 99.4 9:45 pm, 99.1 panting and > > > mildly uncomfortable, nesting furiously and pacing the rest of the > > > night. > > > > > > We are waiting for her water to break and to see productive labor. OK > > > guys, I know they don't read the books, but they all say inertia if > > > temps are down twenty four hours. By mid day today do I officially > > > declare inertia? She is going for a short walks up and down the > > > driveway. > > > She has had ice cream in small dabs throughout the night and doesn't yet > > > appear as exhausted as I feel. <G>) > > > > > > Today when I asked my vet her procedure for sections (if one > > > should be needed) she said I could resuscitate babies but they would be > > > whisked out to me and I couldn't be in surgery. She took over from her > > > brother.....another excellent vet also interested in repro and we had > > > had this discussion back then. (He told me that it was the exception but > > > that I would be allowed into a section). I've not needed a section > > > before. Since my discussions with both vets (her brother is gone into > > > specialization), it seems that things have changed. > > > No choices today but to procede and hope we have normal labor > > > shortly. > > > I'm also told that her procedure for pitocin is i.v. and that she > > > prefers then to have the birthing THERE if any pitocin is needed. > > > <moan> > > > So, what has all of your experiences been with anything like > > > this? > > > > > > Help me talk this girl into productive contractions, eh? I'm off to > > > walk her on the driveway with a towel in hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suze > > > -- > > > Suze at Llawen Cavaliers > > > "...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a man > > > to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica > > > "Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > > > > > > ========================================================= > > > "Magic Commands": > > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > > to start it up gain click here: > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > > > ========================================================= > > "Magic Commands": > > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > > to start it up gain click here: > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. > > -- > Suze at Llawen Cavaliers > "...I have seen that in any great undertaking it is not enough for a man > to depend simply upon himself." -Isna Ia-wica > "Thought comes before speech" Luther Standing Bear > > ========================================================= > "Magic Commands": > to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL > to start it up gain click here: > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL > > E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. > Search the Archives... http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ckcs-l.html > > All e-mail sent through CKCS-L is Copyright 2002 by its original author. ========================================================= "Magic Commands": to stop receiving mail for awhile, click here and send the email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20NOMAIL to start it up gain click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=SET%20CKCS-L%20MAIL E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] for assistance. 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