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If your software does not allow this, then you need
to call your vendor NOW and tell them to change it. Assessments should be
completed within 14 days of the ARD, but what happens if you don't get around to
it. Say there is some disaster that prevents you from finishing the assessment
on time. Are you supposed to lie? Are you supposed to change the ARD just to
make the R2b correct? NO. Your software should certainly notify you that more
than 14 days have elapsed since the ARD, but it should not prevent you from
using those dates if you so choose.
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:39
AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
I don't think our software would even let me
close an assessment if the R2b date was more than 14 days after the ARD.
It would give me an error message. So if what you saying is correct how
would you close the assessment so you could resubmit it?
I hope this never happens to me!!!
Also, is what you are saying about the
inactivation also true when it comes to modification?
If you modify an assessment do you then have to
change the R2b date to the date you are modifing the assessment?
D Nichols RN, RAC-C
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:26
PM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
There are two issues here.
One, don't confuse the assessment of the
resident with the completion of the assessment form. They are two different
events marked by two different dates. The
assessment of the resident stops as of the ARD. The completion of the
assessment form occurs as of R2b. Yes, the ARD of the new assessment should
be the same as the first one because the assessment of the resident stopped
on that day. You are in effect using the same assessment to fill out
the new form. But you did not finish filling out the 30 day form on the day
you finished filling out the incorrect 60 day form. Therefore, you have a
new R2b.
Second, once you inactivate the 60 day, it no
longer exists as far as CMS is concerned. I understand that within the
software you are simply changing AA8b on the original assessment, but that
is for your convenience only. It is a brand new assessment that has no true
association with any other assessment that may have existed before.
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:50
AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
Even if all the information in the assessment
was the same and the only thing that would be different is the type of
assessment? I guess this confuses me because to me the assessment
was completed on the original R2b and to me the assessment is the
same. Why couldn't you date on the attestation form the date you
inactivated the assessment? To me the assessment of the Resident did
not change and they completed the assessment by the original R2b
date. Fortunately I have not had to do this and hope I don't have to
but if I ever do I just want to understand it.
Debbie Nichols, RN, RAC-C
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004
11:52 AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
After inactivating the record, the next
step is to create and submit a new, original MDS record. Since
this is a new, original record, the R2b date would be the date the new
assessment was completed - not the date the inactivated assessment was
completed. See the MDS correction policy at http://www.qtso.com/mdsdownload.html
Rena
Rena
R. Shephard, MHA, RN, FACDONA, RAC-C
Chair, American Association of
Nurse Assessment Coordinators
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Date: 3/5/04 7:05:05 AM
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Okay, I have inactivated the 60 day
assessment that should have been a 30 day....I have redone the 30day
and am getting ready to resubmit....what do I sign as
R2b????? Help, this is driving me crazy, I have never had
to inactivate a record and I am freaking........I want to keep the
same date on the R2b and from reading the Correction policy, I think
this is correct. Any answers are appreciated.
ann
m schoeny crnac
sem haven nursing and rehab
225
cleveland ave.
milford, ohio 45150
(513)
248-1270
Rena R. Shephard, MHA, RN,
FACDONA, RAC-C
Chair, American Association of Nurse Assessment
Coordinators
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