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Fortunately we haven't dealt with this yet and we
have always been able to complete our assessments on time. If it ever did
happen I would have to call our vendor because I would not lie as to what date I
put in or change the ARD. That would not be an option for me.
Thanks
Debbie
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:38
PM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
If your software does not allow this, then you
need to call your vendor NOW and tell them to change it. Assessments should be
completed within 14 days of the ARD, but what happens if you don't get around
to it. Say there is some disaster that prevents you from finishing the
assessment on time. Are you supposed to lie? Are you supposed to change the
ARD just to make the R2b correct? NO. Your software should certainly notify
you that more than 14 days have elapsed since the ARD, but it should not
prevent you from using those dates if you so choose.
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:39
AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
I don't think our software would even let me
close an assessment if the R2b date was more than 14 days after the
ARD. It would give me an error message. So if what you saying is
correct how would you close the assessment so you could resubmit it?
I hope this never happens to me!!!
Also, is what you are saying about the
inactivation also true when it comes to modification?
If you modify an assessment do you then have to
change the R2b date to the date you are modifing the
assessment?
D Nichols RN, RAC-C
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:26
PM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
There are two issues here.
One, don't confuse the assessment of the
resident with the completion of the assessment form. They are two
different events marked by two different dates. The assessment of the resident stops as of the ARD. The completion
of the assessment form occurs as of R2b. Yes, the ARD of the new
assessment should be the same as the first one because the assessment of
the resident stopped on that day. You are in effect using the same
assessment to fill out the new form. But you did not finish filling out
the 30 day form on the day you finished filling out the incorrect 60 day
form. Therefore, you have a new R2b.
Second, once you inactivate the 60 day, it no
longer exists as far as CMS is concerned. I understand that within
the software you are simply changing AA8b on the original assessment, but
that is for your convenience only. It is a brand new assessment that has
no true association with any other assessment that may have existed
before.
Nathan
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004
10:50 AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
Even if all the information in the
assessment was the same and the only thing that would be different is
the type of assessment? I guess this confuses me because to me the
assessment was completed on the original R2b and to me the assessment is
the same. Why couldn't you date on the attestation form the date
you inactivated the assessment? To me the assessment of the
Resident did not change and they completed the assessment by the
original R2b date. Fortunately I have not had to do this and hope
I don't have to but if I ever do I just want to understand it.
Debbie Nichols, RN, RAC-C
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004
11:52 AM
Subject: Re: mpaf 30 vs 60
After inactivating the record,
the next step is to create and submit a new, original MDS
record. Since this is a new, original record, the R2b date would
be the date the new assessment was completed - not the date the
inactivated assessment was completed. See the MDS correction
policy at http://www.qtso.com/mdsdownload.html
Rena
Rena
R. Shephard, MHA, RN, FACDONA, RAC-C
Chair, American Association of
Nurse Assessment Coordinators
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Date: 3/5/04 7:05:05 AM
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Okay, I have inactivated the 60 day
assessment that should have been a 30 day....I have redone the 30day
and am getting ready to resubmit....what do I sign as
R2b????? Help, this is driving me crazy, I have never
had to inactivate a record and I am freaking........I want to keep
the same date on the R2b and from reading the Correction policy, I
think this is correct. Any answers are appreciated.
ann m schoeny crnac
sem haven nursing and
rehab
225 cleveland ave.
milford, ohio
45150
(513) 248-1270
Rena R.
Shephard, MHA, RN, FACDONA, RAC-C
Chair, American Association of
Nurse Assessment
Coordinators
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