Done: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9650 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9650>
> On May 12, 2015, at 9:49 PM, Ted Dunning <[email protected]> wrote: > > Actually, the Apache one is probably better since work addresses can > disappear. > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:08 AM, Ian Maxon <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ah I see, sorry! The UCI one is probably best, then. >> >> - Ian >> >> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Till Westmann <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No for the moderation e-mails :) >>> Which address do you use for the mailing lists? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Till >>> >>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Ian Maxon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh, on the commit logs? Unfortunately in Gerrit it takes the committer >>> from >>>> the account's email address, I believe... >>>> >>>> - Ian >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Till Westmann <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Do you want to use use the UCI or the Apache e-mail address? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Ian Maxon <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If I'm not already a moderator I'd be happy to volunteer... >>>>>> >>>>>> - Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Till Westmann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We currently have 7 moderators, so I think that we can just take >>> you >>>>> out >>>>>>> (I guess that requires and infra-request, is that right?). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other hand I would be more than happy if we found another >>>>>> volunteer >>>>>>> moderator! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Till >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Jochen Wiedmann < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd welcome to have another volunteer to replace me as a >>> moderator. >>>>>>>> (As this would be my 9th or 10th list to moderate.) As Till >>> wrote, >>>>>>>> list moderation isn't much of a burden. OTOH, it accumulates... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jochen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 7:57 AM, Till Westmann < >> [email protected] >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Just found a link to the self-subscribe app [1] for committers >>> on >>>>> the >>>>>>> mailing lists page [2]. >>>>>>>>> The mailing lists for podlings are at the end of the (long!) >>>>> dropdown. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe < >>>>>>> https://whimsy.apache.org/committers/subscribe> >>>>>>>>> [2] http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html < >>>>>>> http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 10:07 PM, Till Westmann < >> [email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I’ve also added this list to our incubation status page [1]. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> @Ian, could you add the new list to the readme when you >> update >>> it >>>>>>> again? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html < >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/asterixdb.html> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 11, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Till Westmann < >> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]> is available now. >>>>>>>>>>> Please subscribe to it, so that we can close the old list >>> down. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Till Westmann < >> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve requested a users mailing list using the request form >> at >>>>> [1]. >>>>>>>>>>>> The listed moderators are our mentors and 2 volunteers >> (Mike >>>> and >>>>>> I). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator < >>>>>>> https://infra.apache.org/officers/mlreq/incubator> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Mike Carey < >> [email protected] >>>>>> <mailto: >>>>>>> [email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 5:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way that moderation works at Apache is that >> moderators >>>> see >>>>>>> candidate >>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages in email with links to accept or reject. Reply >>> with >>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications works to accept the message. Reply-all >>> accepts >>>>> the >>>>>>> message >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and whitelists the sender. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If no moderator takes action for several days, the >> message >>> is >>>>>>> deleted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Super simple and fast. The only obscure part is the the >>>>>> reply-all >>>>>>> trick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Mike Carey < >>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could do it as well. (Does it just entail saying >> "this >>>> note >>>>>>> may indeed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pass" to a queue of msgs - a queue we'd all be trying to >>>>> watch?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/3/15 1:11 PM, Till Westmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with your feeling. If we decide to do it that >>> way, >>>>> I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteering to be another moderator. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there other volunteers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Ted Dunning < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My feeling is it doesn't hurt to have more moderators >>>> rather >>>>>>> than fewer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judicious white-listing allows the amount of >> moderation >>>>>> traffic >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driven to very low levels so the load on the >> moderators >>> is >>>>>>> very, very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The cost of losing a moderator without quite knowing >> it >>> it >>>>>>> higher, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the load on a number of moderators. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Till Westmann < >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, the JIRA was not the right way to request this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But before we do it the right way, we need a few >>>> moderators >>>>>>> for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume that the mentors are the moderators for the >>>> other >>>>>>> lists. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is that the way it should be or should other PPMC >>> members >>>>>>> moderate as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 18:30, Till Westmann < >>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s the JIRA: >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580 < >>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9580> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 2, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Till Westmann < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, since nobody objected, I’ll ask for the users >>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Till Westmann < >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since this is just a procedural decision that has >> no >>>>>> impact >>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the AsterixDB podling, I think that the PPMC >> members >>>>>>> (mentors + >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> initial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committer) are those who get to decide. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And as this is probably not a highly contested >> issue, >>> we >>>>>>> could take >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this decision by lazy consensus [1], i.e. your >>> proposal >>>>> is >>>>>>> accepted, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody objects within 72 hours. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Till >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html >> < >>>>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 08:09, Mike Carey < >>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given the discussions, I'd like to propose now >> that >>>> we >>>>>>> close in on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "two lists - dev and user" - answer to this one. I >>>>> realize >>>>>>> there are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradeoffs, but because we do have some users already >>> who >>>>> are >>>>>>> decidedly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-developer types - and more coming - I'd like to >>> have >>>> a >>>>>>> list "for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that encourages them to be on it (by its topics and >>>>> volume). >>>>>>> Is there a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way we can/should bring this to a vote/decision by >>> those >>>>> that >>>>>>> get to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide? (This will be our first case-study in a >>>>>>> post-joining-incubation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decision. :-)) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/24/15 5:46 AM, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Till Westmann >> < >>>>>>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not completely sure that I want one. We >> currently >>>> have >>>>>>> one and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has some reasonable traffic and the >> discussions >>>> are >>>>>> at >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> user-level. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also all developers are subscribed to the user-list, >>> so >>>>>>> developers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are aware of user problems but not necessarily >> the >>>>> other >>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that works pretty well, but maybe a single >>> list >>>>>> would >>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thoughts from the other AsterixDB developers? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What about automatically generated >> notifications, >>>> like >>>>>>> Jira issues, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit messages, etc.? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't recommend to push those to a user >> list? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jochen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Any world that can produce the Taj Mahal, William Shakespeare, >>>>>>>> and Stripe toothpaste can't be all bad. (C.R. MacNamara, One >> Two >>>>> Three) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
