On 2/7/22 6:14 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 23:49, Ernie Rael <[email protected]> wrote:
The original post is about not losing features and breaking projects
when moving away from 8.2 and into apache land. I'm wondering if the
automatic (or at least semi-automatic) download technique can be
leveraged into a general mechanism at least for previously supported
features; even to add new features that can't be included due to
licensing issues.
If you're meaning like JavaFX, and until 13, nb-javac, then please,
god, no! :-) That mechanism is a pain.
I was hesitant to bring this up because of my own JavaFX, nb-javac
experiences; I certainly don't mean like them ;-) But from what I can
tell, the biggest problems with them was more about how they were used,
not the infrastructure that downloaded them. NB can download/install
stuff from the plugin portal; some things in the "NewProject" project
menu download things from maven central; nb-javac got automatically
download; I don't know if there are multiple download/install mechanism
or ...
My concern is that NB-8.2 people testing the waters with ApacheNetBeans
will have a horrible first impression; which is likely to be the case if
they did any GUI dev. Things that used to work, don't work any more. I
remember when Matisse first appeared and NB was so proud about it. In
those days the mantra was "just works out of the box". Those days are
gone, even though the NB logo is still a box. Used to make fun of
eclipse because you had to download stuff...
I'm suggesting that some things could just be automatically downloaded
and installed. (not the nb-javac mess where NB has two ways of doing
edit actions and weird jdk dependencies) Possibly download/install on
demand though ergonomics, though I've heard some grumblings in that area.
Could NB help be easily revived with a download?
Anyway, at least visibly pointing out the missing things, particularly
the important ones, with instructions on how to get them back.
Somewhere/somehow that it can't be missed when needed.
I've been doing some work recently on a small DBMS component library
with GUI stuff. Yesterday there was some a posting from someone that
used this DBMS library years ago and under NB-8.? He's bringing their
app up to jdk-17 and NB-12.6. He's been spending a lot of time trying to
get the gui builder to load his old project. I hope Emi's
nb-apache-form-binding gets him going.
-ernie
PS. Thanks for this opportunity to get my pressure down so I can
continue my day...
Plugin portal would be great.
It's a shame that neither this nor the bits of JavaFX we need are
GPL+CPE, now that has become a possibility for inclusion.
Best wishes,
Neil
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