I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? (*Chris*)
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>wrote: > Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue version > would be also nice. > > 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>: > > I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and we > > can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough ;-) > > > > > > Reagrds > > -- > > Łukasz > > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > > > > 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: > >> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: > >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: > >>> > >>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: > >>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I think it > >>>>> sends > >>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of being old > and > >>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, some > >>>>> of the > >>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to tell that > they > >>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of > these > >>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=modern%20bridge > >>>> > >>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) I'd > >>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the message it > >>>> sends ;-) > >>> > >>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. > >>> > >>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. > >>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared to the > >>> other one). > >>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media communicators. > >> > >> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things should > >> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too long with > >> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the old one as > >> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it with > >> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and catchy now > >> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO not > >> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find better logo > >> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a Zeroturnaround > >> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? > >> > >> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to interact > >> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to formulate in turn > >> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a designer, > >> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. > >> > >> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen design > >> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I outlined > >> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first proposal that > >> makes it directly to production. > >> > >>> > >>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. > >>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a designer AND > >>> does some work) > >>> we should definitely consider it. > >>> > >> > >> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of the ideas > >> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that someone steps > >> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am super > >> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to provide > >> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession the actual > >> work is all about. > >> > >> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think and > >> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what well founded > >> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both incorporate what I > >> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a > >> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I see the > logo. > >> > >> Some of my thoughts: > >> > >> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon with a > >> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing without logo > >> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a pure > >> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with a example > >> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. > >> > >> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) > >> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors > >> http://www.gopivotal.com/ > >> > >> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source projects, > >> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. > >> > >> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, http://gruntjs.com/ > >> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to be not so > >> much on the timeless side... > >> > >> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in favor > >> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a clean and > >> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. > >> > >> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what strikes me > >> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a font. > >> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of the well > >> established rules for font design. If you color it completely black from > >> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look like very > >> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even more than?) > >> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the first > >> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind the font > >> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as this > >> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look like. > >> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of > >> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an impression: > >> > http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules-for-creating-effective-typography/ > >> > >> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - as > >> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. And I also > >> think it is a great starting point to go into design iteration. It > >> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me needs to > >> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a next step) > >> should look like. > >> > >> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting Google > >> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a clean brand > >> writing: > >> > https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042#es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch > >> > >> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an iconified logo > >> graphic: > >> > >> > http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-truss-f44/&docid=yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 > >> > >> > http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl=http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way.jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 > >> > >> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting for a logo > >> icon. > >> > >> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll give it a > >> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But basically my > >> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or Hazelcast > logos. > >> > >>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz > >>> company. I am very grateful > >>> for the huge effort they already put into this. > >>> > >> > >> +1 > >> > >>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which might > >>> lead to even more discussion, > >>> we all should answer these two question: > >>> > >>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? > >> > >> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) > >> > >>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? > >>> > >>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! > >>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> Christian > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> -- > >>>> Łukasz > >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > >>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> http://www.grobmeier.de > >>> @grobmeier > >>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> René Gielen > >> http://twitter.com/rgielen > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >> > > > > -- > Łukasz > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >
