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2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: > I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? > (*Chris*) > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>wrote: > >> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue version >> would be also nice. >> >> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>: >> > I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and we >> > can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough ;-) >> > >> > >> > Reagrds >> > -- >> > Łukasz >> > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> > >> > 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >> >> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >> >>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >> >>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I think it >> >>>>> sends >> >>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of being old >> and >> >>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, some >> >>>>> of the >> >>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to tell that >> they >> >>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of >> these >> >>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=modern%20bridge >> >>>> >> >>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) I'd >> >>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the message it >> >>>> sends ;-) >> >>> >> >>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >> >>> >> >>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. >> >>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared to the >> >>> other one). >> >>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media communicators. >> >> >> >> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things should >> >> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too long with >> >> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the old one as >> >> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it with >> >> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and catchy now >> >> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO not >> >> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find better logo >> >> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a Zeroturnaround >> >> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >> >> >> >> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to interact >> >> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to formulate in turn >> >> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a designer, >> >> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >> >> >> >> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen design >> >> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I outlined >> >> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first proposal that >> >> makes it directly to production. >> >> >> >>> >> >>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. >> >>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a designer AND >> >>> does some work) >> >>> we should definitely consider it. >> >>> >> >> >> >> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of the ideas >> >> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that someone steps >> >> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am super >> >> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to provide >> >> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession the actual >> >> work is all about. >> >> >> >> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think and >> >> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what well founded >> >> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both incorporate what I >> >> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a >> >> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I see the >> logo. >> >> >> >> Some of my thoughts: >> >> >> >> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon with a >> >> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing without logo >> >> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a pure >> >> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with a example >> >> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >> >> >> >> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >> >> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >> >> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >> >> >> >> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source projects, >> >> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >> >> >> >> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, http://gruntjs.com/ >> >> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to be not so >> >> much on the timeless side... >> >> >> >> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in favor >> >> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a clean and >> >> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >> >> >> >> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what strikes me >> >> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a font. >> >> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of the well >> >> established rules for font design. If you color it completely black from >> >> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look like very >> >> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even more than?) >> >> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the first >> >> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind the font >> >> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as this >> >> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look like. >> >> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of >> >> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an impression: >> >> >> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules-for-creating-effective-typography/ >> >> >> >> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - as >> >> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. And I also >> >> think it is a great starting point to go into design iteration. It >> >> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me needs to >> >> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a next step) >> >> should look like. >> >> >> >> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting Google >> >> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a clean brand >> >> writing: >> >> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042#es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >> >> >> >> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an iconified logo >> >> graphic: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-truss-f44/&docid=yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >> >> >> >> >> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl=http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way.jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw=160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >> >> >> >> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting for a logo >> >> icon. >> >> >> >> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll give it a >> >> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But basically my >> >> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or Hazelcast >> logos. >> >> >> >>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz >> >>> company. I am very grateful >> >>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >> >>> >> >> >> >> +1 >> >> >> >>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which might >> >>> lead to even more discussion, >> >>> we all should answer these two question: >> >>> >> >>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >> >> >> >> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >> >> >> >>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >> >>> >> >>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >> >>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >> >>> >> >>> Cheers >> >>> Christian >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Łukasz >> >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >>>> >> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> --- >> >>> http://www.grobmeier.de >> >>> @grobmeier >> >>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> René Gielen >> >> http://twitter.com/rgielen >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Łukasz >> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org
