My thoughts exactly. Needs a different font. On 07/03/2014 5:41 pm, "i...@flyingfischer.ch" <i...@flyingfischer.ch> wrote:
> The Logo looks nice. Has a slight reference to the art work of M.C. > Escher. Great work. > > Blue is always nice ;-) > > The typography however gives the whole logo a not too modern touch, > because it uses letters with serifs. I wonder if this will match nicely > with the serif free home page of struts 2? > > Best regards > Markus Fischer > > Am 07.03.2014 06:50, schrieb Lukasz Lenart: > >> Link if attachment is missing >> https://copy.com/MXrnIYz8KajY >> >> 2014-03-07 0:01 GMT+01:00 Chris Pratt <thechrispr...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I must have missed it, I don't see anything?? >>> (*Chris*) >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Work continues, 3rd version of logo, wdyt? I think dark-blue version >>>> would be also nice. >>>> >>>> 2013-11-26 8:59 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Lenart <lukaszlen...@apache.org>: >>>> >>>>> I have passed your comment to designer - anyway we have time and we >>>>> can always start over when the first logo won't be good enough ;-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Reagrds >>>>> -- >>>>> Łukasz >>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>> >>>>> 2013/11/24 Rene Gielen <rene.gie...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Am 20.11.13 14:52, schrieb Christian Grobmeier: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12 Nov 2013, at 16:51, Lukasz Lenart wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/11/12 Cameron Morris <cmor...@part.net>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I love the look of steampunk and rickety old bridges, but I think >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> sends >>>>>>>>> the wrong message for a project fighting the perception of being >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and >>>> >>>>> legacy. I'd say the more modern looking the better. However, some >>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>> more modern bridges look so space age it might be hard to tell that >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> they >>>> >>>>> are bridges if they are made into a small icon. Perhaps some of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> these >>>> >>>>> might spark an idea: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=modern%20bridge >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm... you know everything new someday will be old anyway ;-) I'd >>>>>>>> rather say let's focus on having cool logo and not the message it >>>>>>>> sends ;-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> +1 on the cool logo NOW instead of wasting more time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its always funny with us devs. We have a crap logo for years. >>>>>>> Somebody shows up and contributes a fantastic logo (compared to the >>>>>>> other one). >>>>>>> Suddenly all devs become designers and social media communicators. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You are right with our out-of-style old logo, and that things should >>>>>> change here. But why exactly are we in such a hurry? Going too long >>>>>> with >>>>>> an old logo does not mean that a new logo should replace the old one >>>>>> as >>>>>> soon as it is just "better". IMHO we would want to replace it with >>>>>> something that satisfies us for years. It should be cool and catchy >>>>>> now >>>>>> and in five years. "Fantastic compared to the other one" is IMO not >>>>>> enough. Do we want old-time users to be surprised to find better logo >>>>>> now, or do we want anyone stumbling over our site or a Zeroturnaround >>>>>> web frameworks survey to think "hey man, nice logo!"? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not a social media designer, and for that reason I need to >>>>>> interact >>>>>> with a designer. I need inspiration and suggestions to formulate in >>>>>> turn >>>>>> which directions to go for the next iteration. Since I'm not a >>>>>> designer, >>>>>> I'm for sure too lame with my own cool logo proposal. >>>>>> >>>>>> Over all the years I was involved with design tasks, I've seen design >>>>>> emerge after some iterations in a process similar to what I outlined >>>>>> above. I have never ever experienced being given a first proposal that >>>>>> makes it directly to production. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Personally I am super-happy that we have such a great proposal. >>>>>>> And if we don't have another option (one of us devs IS a designer AND >>>>>>> does some work) >>>>>>> we should definitely consider it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I'm super happy with the work being done, and I like some of the ideas >>>>>> incorporated in the first proposals. I like the fact that someone >>>>>> steps >>>>>> up and is kind enough to donate work and creativity, and I am super >>>>>> thankful for that - and, to be honest, it makes me bit shy to provide >>>>>> too much criticism, especially since it is not my profession the >>>>>> actual >>>>>> work is all about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I went back and forth many times the last two weeks to think and >>>>>> re-think if I like the logo, how it might be seen, and what well >>>>>> founded >>>>>> criticism I could give. In my review I tried to both incorporate what >>>>>> I >>>>>> as a non-professional know about design, as well as what I as a >>>>>> "professional design recipient" (read: consumer) feel when I see the >>>>>> >>>>> logo. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Some of my thoughts: >>>>>> >>>>>> Most common to me seems a combination of a dedicated logo icon with a >>>>>> clean writing for the brand, or just an elaborate writing without logo >>>>>> icon. From time to time you see some font gimmickry to make a pure >>>>>> writing recognizable. But I have failed so far to come up with a >>>>>> example >>>>>> for a iconified design building a writing and a font design. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have a look at those two sites (scroll to bottom on both) >>>>>> http://devoxx.be/#/sponsors >>>>>> http://www.gopivotal.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> There a good bunch of logos, both of companies and open source >>>>>> projects, >>>>>> that look cool, clean and modern, yet timeless. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to follow newest hipster logo trends, http://gruntjs.com/ >>>>>> might be a source for inspiration. Nevertheless, this seems to be not >>>>>> so >>>>>> much on the timeless side... >>>>>> >>>>>> That said and reviewed many times during last week, I'm more in favor >>>>>> for the combination of an icon symbol combined with with a clean and >>>>>> modern typographic font for the brand name Struts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stepping back a bit when viewing the proposed designs, what strikes me >>>>>> most is that iconified graphic elements are used to construct a font. >>>>>> How does this font look like? It does not seem to follow all of the >>>>>> well >>>>>> established rules for font design. If you color it completely black >>>>>> from >>>>>> the outline and reduce it to the font shape, it does not look like >>>>>> very >>>>>> "clean" typography, even a bit clunky. But besides (or even more >>>>>> than?) >>>>>> graphical details and tasteful colouring, the shape makes the first >>>>>> impression to a viewer. I doubt that it is a good idea to bind the >>>>>> font >>>>>> shape of a writing to iconified graphics as building blocks, as this >>>>>> limits how elaborate the typographic shape itself will look like. >>>>>> Designing a font is a science by itself, you can find tons of >>>>>> information on the web. Just for some reading giving an impression: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://designshack.net/articles/typography/8-rules- >>>> for-creating-effective-typography/ >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As for me, this breaks down to: I have tried to like it, but - as >>>>>> proposed so far - I don't. This is my honest personal view. And I also >>>>>> think it is a great starting point to go into design iteration. It >>>>>> teases me to think, it gives the inspiration someone like me needs to >>>>>> imagine and maybe phrase what he thinks the final logo (or a next >>>>>> step) >>>>>> should look like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Earlier in this discussion, Dave came up with an interesting Google >>>>>> search for an isolated logo icon to maybe be combined with a clean >>>>>> brand >>>>>> writing: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+box+truss&safe=on&; >>>> espv=210&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei= >>>> HjuCUq3NCYrnsATbvYLIBQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1478&bih=1042# >>>> es_sm=91&espv=210&q=box+truss&safe=off&tbm=isch >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Those two for example could be excellent templates for an iconified >>>>>> logo >>>>>> graphic: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=eQDpP6WpnMmoXM:&imgrefurl=http://www. >>>> germanlightproducts.com/products/16-inch-square-box-truss-f44/&docid= >>>> yGLxIpnpCserbM&imgurl=http://www.germanlightproducts.com/ >>>> wp-content/uploads/2013/01/F44Box_0.jpg&w=1024&h=768&ei= >>>> zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:73,s:0,i:305& >>>> iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=176&tbnw=236&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=155&ty=76 >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.google.com/imgres?safe=off&es_sm=91&espv=210&; >>>> bih=1042&biw=1478&tbm=isch&tbnid=rGzeKbh__BY3LM:&imgrefurl=http://www. >>>> brownswelding.com.au/truss500/&docid=-uk8Vty_qJyznM&imgurl= >>>> http://www.brownswelding.com.au/truss500/images/500box6way. >>>> jpg&w=200&h=200&ei=zPCRUtuZOYbjswaHzoCwCA&zoom=1& >>>> ved=1t:3588,r:78,s:0,i:320&iact=rc&page=3&tbnh=160&tbnw= >>>> 160&start=67&ndsp=35&tx=60&ty=50 >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Also a very reduced and iconified bridge could be interesting for a >>>>>> logo >>>>>> icon. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suck badly at crafting graphics, but if time permits I'll give it a >>>>>> try to express my thoughts in some graphical draft. But basically my >>>>>> overall thoughts go into a direction like the Typesafe or Hazelcast >>>>>> >>>>> logos. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As far as I understood it, this contribution is backed by Lukasz >>>>>>> company. I am very grateful >>>>>>> for the huge effort they already put into this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Instead of discussing completely new approaches and ideas which might >>>>>>> lead to even more discussion, >>>>>>> we all should answer these two question: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Can you live with the proposal logo? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> just me: actually no, but it's a great start :) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) If yes, do you prefer the dark or the bright version? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My answer to 1) is YES!!!! >>>>>>> My answer to 2) I LOVE BOTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Łukasz >>>>>>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>>> @grobmeier >>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> --------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> René Gielen >>>>>> http://twitter.com/rgielen >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Łukasz >>>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >>>> >>>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@struts.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@struts.apache.org > >
