At 11:26 AM -0400 7/14/01, Mark Jeftovic wrote:
>So, because OpenSRS won't clean up NSI's mess, OpenSRS sucks, is that
>it?

OpenSRS allows itself to be pushed around by NSI.

This is a registrar-to-registrar issue, and SRS is passing the buck 
to the customer or RSP.

>I know the requirement that OpenSRS be able to verify via the admin
>contact email can get in the way sometimes but consider that the
>alternative (not verifying via the admin contact) opens the door
>to rampant domain slamming and practices that would cause enormous
>amounts of grief.

My point is that they WERE able to verify the admin contact -- and DID.

But because they won't stand up to NSI, they no longer CAN verify the 
contact for future attempts.

>Its Netsol that added the extra confirmation step, and its NetSol
>that fucks this same step up a significant percentage of the time.

Correct.

But it is OpenSRS that refuses to do anything about it. And they're 
the only ones who can.

>We just sent out an email to all of our customers explaining the new
>NetSol transfer procedures and the difficulties being experienced
>with them and we are advising them that if they domains left on NetSol
>and we waiting for the end of their term to move them, they should
>rethink that and move them now.

Luckily that's NOT an issue here, because the domain itself doesn't 
expire til 2002.

>We are not going to blame OpenSRS for anyone who gets stuck over there.
>
>The simple fact is this, OpenSRS can't clean up other registrars problems
>and until the transfer completes, its the other registrar you have to
>deal with.

But an RSP has no means of making anything happen.

And the only person that I can see that has an ICANN-founded 
complaint would be the winning registrar (in this case, SRS).

>Having said all that, it would be nice to have a mechanism to abort a
>transfer in progress to save time in situations like this, but once the
>request has been sent into the regsitry, thats it.

Timing out, at this stage, is useless. In fact, at this point, I want 
that transaction to NEVER time out, as its the only one that (easily) 
has a "winning registrar authenticated request to move". What I'd 
LIKE to see, moreso than an "abort" would be for the winning 
registrar to grow a spine, and start filing ICANN complaints any time 
NSI NAK's a domain-transfer in violation of the ICANN agreement they 
signed.

I can't do that. The domain owner can't do that. That's, again, a 
register-to-registrar thing, and [for this example], only SRS can be 
that spine-growing entity.

>  This limitation is a
>problem at the registry, not at OpenSRS. So go talk to Verisign and tell
>them they suck, I'm sure they'll be happy to help you out.

Verisign sucks. I'll grant they even suck MORE. But, in this case, so 
does SRS. :(

D
(wondering if domains aren't overrated, and we should just go back to 
memorizing IP addresses *grin*)
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