I'm just saying that when we use language like "Their process is broken" instead of saying "Our team's process is broken", we are communicating that we don't have any ownership in the problems.
I'm sure that most people here are great team members. We should continue that language when we're talking amongst ourselves in this forum. I fear by creating a language where the non-IxD folks who are part of our teams become the THEMs, we'll not get the results we're looking for long-term and community-wide. Jared On Feb 12, 2008, at 10:53 AM, David Malouf wrote: > Jared, > > Teams does not mean same. > Unique contributions and respect of individuality is in my > experience a core success criteria for cross-functional teams. > > Understanding differences of culture, process, methods, thinking, > theory, language, etc. is required. > Being that they currently set the tone, they are pretty well > understood by us (that is my take). What is not well understood, is > them of us. And for that matter from conversations like these us of > us. > > I loved the historical perspectices of Chris Bernard's and Bill > Buxton's talks. We need more of that. Maybe you can help. ;-) > > But I do believe that uniqueness is something to be cherished and > while we work towards common goals we need to respect and > understand and envalue our differences. There is a distinct US and > a distinct THEM and to deny that, feels fake to me. > > Kumbaya is not going to get us anywhere, especially in terms of > this discussion. > > -- dave > > > On Feb 12, 2008 9:58 AM, Jared M. Spool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2008, at 9:43 AM, David Malouf wrote: > >> Mark hit it on the head, it is a developer/engineering inspired >> and valued >> process. It is for THEM! It is not about us, for us, by us, or >> valuable to >> us. This is my #1 issue with agile. And all the things you say >> below about >> getting design into agile, are hacks! They are not the best of >> what we can >> do, but what we can do in THEIR framework. > > WHOA! > > Us?!? THEM?!? > > There's a whole lotta us vs. them coming out these days. > > While our own research on what makes successful experiences is > still young and rough around the edges, one strong pattern that > emerged immediately was that the most successful teams are actually > TEAMS. None of this "They don't get it" and "We need a process that > works for us" stuff. > > I'd be real careful promoting this us vs. them sentiment. I don't > see it leading to long term successful design practices. > > Just sayin' > > Jared > > Jared M. Spool > User Interface Engineering > 510 Turnpike St., Suite 102, North Andover, MA 01845 > e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] p: +1 978 327 5561 > http://uie.com Blog: http://uie.com/brainsparks > > > > > -- > David Malouf > http://synapticburn.com/ > http://ixda.org/ > http://motorola.com/ ________________________________________________________________ Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ....... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
