Is Synhak on trial for an incident that we now need to defend ourselves with policy and paperwork? If its decided that we must have a drug and alcohol policy, then it should be written by a lawyer and not by us (unless a member here has a law degree).
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > How has Synhak supported drug use? Alcohol is in the fridge and only > adults consume it. The alcohol is brought in by adults with their own > money, not one dime of funds from Synhak's coffers has gone to alcohol. > Beer brewing is one our supported hacking activities, do we now need to > have rules on that because people are getting out of control? > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Omar, >> >> Yes the restaurant can be liable IF it can be proven that the restaurant >> supported this activity. The issue becomes how good is our defense. >> >> Justin >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> So if someone snorts coke in a restaurant bathroom, the restaurant is >>> liable? Again, I should emphasize, I'm not against the idea, I'm just >>> against creating more regulation when there already exists the law. It >>> isn't any of our business what life choices people make. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Omar, >>>> >>>> Without policy SynHak becomes compliant with legal issues in the space. >>>> SynHak created the atmosphere for X to occur. Why? Because we wanted to not >>>> have rules is not valid legal defense. ESP since it has now been brought >>>> up. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Personally, I'm not interested in policing the space, I don't come >>>>> there to keep on eye on other members and visitors. The law doesn't >>>>> disappear when you walk through the doors so I'm wondering why the >>>>> organizing needs to apply more paperwork and wording on the subject. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Torrie Fischer < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:20:05 Omar Rassi wrote: >>>>>> > I'm taking this to mean that the liability waiver is not enough >>>>>> anymore. >>>>>> > Did something happen at the space recently? I'm not exactly against >>>>>> this >>>>>> > idea but so far the majority of people that come to the space and >>>>>> > participate have been adults of sound mind. Has this gotten so out >>>>>> of hand >>>>>> > that people are no longer able to look out for eachother or restrain >>>>>> > themselves so Synhak Inc. needs to step in and become big brother? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, thats my concern. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought we were trying to stay away from pre-emptive rules and were >>>>>> capable >>>>>> of policing ourselves like adults, or having in person conversations >>>>>> to >>>>>> address issues instead of slyly bringing up board vote topics that >>>>>> apply to >>>>>> the whole membership three days before board meetings. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we need a bylaw amendment that the agenda for a board meeting >>>>>> must be >>>>>> issued in full with any announcement. >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I allowed to bring issues up minutes before the board meeting? an >>>>>> hour into >>>>>> it? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'll do that. I'll propose that we stop coddling the >>>>>> community. >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> > > I think we need to set the option for you to be excused for the >>>>>> day with >>>>>> > > the possibility of having membership terminated or banned for >>>>>> > > repeat/egregious behavior. Someone unwilling to cooperate to >>>>>> remove and >>>>>> > > mitigate the issue and safety is of concern the police should be >>>>>> called. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > I see a drug and alcohol policy as important as our safety >>>>>> requirements as >>>>>> > > it put everyone at risk. Not only can SynHak be held liable but >>>>>> the >>>>>> > > members >>>>>> > > and board who allow it to continue can be held liable. Safety is >>>>>> of >>>>>> > > concern >>>>>> > > as someone could personally feel they are alright to operate >>>>>> machinery but >>>>>> > > miss judge they capacity. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > These are awful concerns and no one likes to think about someone >>>>>> getting >>>>>> > > hurt BUT without a policy SynHak can't have a leg to stand on. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron) < >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >> It might need to say something about what the adult alcohol >>>>>> permitted >>>>>> > >> behavior is. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> V/R >>>>>> > >> Tim Seeley >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>>>>> [email protected]] On >>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Devin Wolfe >>>>>> > >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:41 AM >>>>>> > >> To: [email protected] >>>>>> > >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Drug Policy >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Hello all, >>>>>> > >> Up until now there has been no formal drug policy at synhak. But >>>>>> with >>>>>> > >> several complaints and concerns raised recently I feel it is >>>>>> time we >>>>>> > >> implement one. As a corporation we jeopardise ourselves if we >>>>>> just turn a >>>>>> > >> blind eye. Plus working around dangerous tools while under the >>>>>> influence >>>>>> > >> is >>>>>> > >> a liability. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Here is the wording I plan on submitting to the board: >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> SYNHAK INC. will not condone, endorse, or allow the use of >>>>>> illegal drugs >>>>>> > >> or related illegal activities including but not limited to >>>>>> illegal drug >>>>>> > >> use, possession, sale, manufacturing, transfer, providing drugs >>>>>> or >>>>>> > >> alcohol >>>>>> > >> to a minor, or consumption of drugs or alcohol by a minor, as >>>>>> defined and >>>>>> > >> stated in the Ohio Revised Code, any laws or set of laws >>>>>> pertaining to >>>>>> > >> any >>>>>> > >> location where SYNHAK INC. is at that time conducting business. >>>>>> This >>>>>> > >> pertains but is not limited to agents, representatives, >>>>>> volunteers, >>>>>> > >> members, nonmembers, employees, and contractors. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> I would like the hear everyone's opinion on this. Also do we >>>>>> need an >>>>>> > >> explicit procedure for discipline or removal if needed? >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Please do not accuse, slander, or otherwise make this a personal >>>>>> matter. >>>>>> > >> Keep names out of it. >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> In excellence, >>>>>> > >> Devin Wolfe >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android >>>>>> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >> [email protected] >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > >> [email protected] >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list >>>>>> > > [email protected] >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Discuss mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Discuss mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > >
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