To all at SH who enjoy a few beers or more - I am a non-drinker with a valid OH driver's license.
I will be happy to assume the role of *designated driver* and haul your sorry ass home when/if you drink too much. Of course, I will keep your car for at least 24 hours to prevent you from driving with a morning-after hangover. I promise not to make a coffee run to Philadelphia with your car. If you need a ride, let me know. Philip On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Torrie Fischer <[email protected]>wrote: > On Friday, March 07, 2014 13:44:47 Omar Rassi wrote: > > I will summarize my points as I won't be able to make the board meeting > or > > this Tuesday's meeting as I'll be blowing stuff up with C4 and det cord > > that day: > > > > * There isnt now nor has ever been a pattern of substance abuse at > Synhak. > > Late night hackers are not being solicited by people looking to buy drugs > > or alcohol. The community has regulated itself on this matter. If you're > > concerned about another person, go and talk to them about it. > > > > * If the concern is safety, how does this make us more safe and less > > liable? There are already liability waivers, and safety classes REQUIRED > > before you can use the machine shop. I'm sure the safety class covers > usage > > while under the influence. > > > > * If things do get out of hand on a day, the Akron police downtown > station > > is .4 miles away, WALKING DISTANCE! All this stuff is already against the > > law and so far, Synhak is known as a law abiding organization. > > > > * If we're concerned about illicit drugs and alcohol abuse to formulate > > policy, then lets go the extra mile, we need an acceptable use policy to > > get on the computers and internet while at the space since copyright > > infringement is also illegal and we need ensure Synhak isn't liable for a > > visitor who downloads a song on our computer and internet connection. > > > > * Lastly, if the membership decides that there should be a written > policy, > > that policy must be written by a lawyer and then voted in, if the intent > is > > to protect the organization then it should be done by a legal expert. For > > that matter, if legal protection is needed, we should keep a lawyer on a > > retainer for consultation. > > its happening > > http://i.imgur.com/oVyfzv2.png > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Tomm Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Torrie, > > > No worries. As I am sure the feeling is mutually perceived. The topic > is > > > sort of foundational to a collectivists community so the heat of > emotion > > > is > > > bound to arise. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Tomm Smith <[email protected]> > wrote: > > >> Torrie, > > >> I understand maintaining the spirit of what the space is and what the > > >> root desire of the gathering is. However, being a legal establishment, > > >> one > > >> must abide legal stipulations to ensure that possible neglected > corners > > >> of > > >> circumstance do not bring a judicial situation that cripples the over > all > > >> community. Legal professionalism and personal hackerdom can co-exist > in > > >> parallel and have no breaks in linearity. The legal paper work and > > >> guidelines will only establish a certain order of conduct that has > weight > > >> communally, and legal coverage excluding the establishment from any > > >> mindless fools wrecking the place. Granted said guidelines are not > hoops > > >> and boundaries causing a communistic totalitarian sort of community. > In > > >> short, legal hackerdom does not last very long. > > >> > > >> > > >> Omar, > > >> I think the primary focus of the introduction of the rules and > > >> regulations is to be strictly a paperwork thing to have sway in court, > > >> *GIVEN* a situation should arise. I could be wrong on this, it is > simply > > >> my > > >> take of the primary reason for introducing such proposals. > > >> > > >> > > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Torrie Fischer < > [email protected] > > >> > > >> > wrote: > > >>> > If its decided that we must have a drug and alcohol policy, > > >>> > > >>> Pushing through a board vote without membership discussion doesn't > mean > > >>> "it is > > >>> decided", FWIW. > > >>> > > >>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:43:32 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >>> > Is Synhak on trial for an incident that we now need to defend > > >>> > ourselves > > >>> > with policy and paperwork? If its decided that we must have a drug > and > > >>> > alcohol policy, then it should be written by a lawyer and not by us > > >>> > > >>> (unless > > >>> > > >>> > a member here has a law degree). > > >>> > > > >>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > How has Synhak supported drug use? Alcohol is in the fridge and > only > > >>> > > adults consume it. The alcohol is brought in by adults with their > > >>> > > own > > >>> > > money, not one dime of funds from Synhak's coffers has gone to > > >>> > > >>> alcohol. > > >>> > > >>> > > Beer brewing is one our supported hacking activities, do we now > need > > >>> > > >>> to > > >>> > > >>> > > have rules on that because people are getting out of control? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Justin Herman < > [email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > >> Omar, > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Yes the restaurant can be liable IF it can be proven that the > > >>> > > >>> restaurant > > >>> > > >>> > >> supported this activity. The issue becomes how good is our > defense. > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> Justin > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Omar Rassi < > [email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > >>> So if someone snorts coke in a restaurant bathroom, the > restaurant > > >>> > > >>> is > > >>> > > >>> > >>> liable? Again, I should emphasize, I'm not against the idea, > I'm > > >>> > > >>> just > > >>> > > >>> > >>> against creating more regulation when there already exists the > > >>> > > >>> law. It > > >>> > > >>> > >>> isn't any of our business what life choices people make. > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Justin Herman < > [email protected] > > >>> > > > >>> >wrote: > > >>> > >>>> Omar, > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> Without policy SynHak becomes compliant with legal issues in > the > > >>> > > >>> space. > > >>> > > >>> > >>>> SynHak created the atmosphere for X to occur. Why? Because we > > >>> > > >>> wanted to > > >>> > > >>> > >>>> not > > >>> > >>>> have rules is not valid legal defense. ESP since it has now > been > > >>> > >>>> brought up.>>>> > > >>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Omar Rassi > > >>> > > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> > >>>>> Personally, I'm not interested in policing the space, I don't > > >>> > > >>> come > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>> there to keep on eye on other members and visitors. The law > > >>> > > >>> doesn't > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>> disappear when you walk through the doors so I'm wondering > why > > >>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>> organizing needs to apply more paperwork and wording on the > > >>> > > >>> subject. > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Torrie Fischer < > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >>>>>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:20:05 Omar Rassi wrote: > > >>> > >>>>>> > I'm taking this to mean that the liability waiver is not > > >>> > > >>> enough > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> anymore. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > Did something happen at the space recently? I'm not > exactly > > >>> > > >>> against > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> this > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > idea but so far the majority of people that come to the > space > > >>> > > >>> and > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > participate have been adults of sound mind. Has this > gotten > > >>> > > >>> so out > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> of hand > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > that people are no longer able to look out for eachother > or > > >>> > >>>>>> > restrain > > >>> > >>>>>> > themselves so Synhak Inc. needs to step in and become big > > >>> > > >>> brother? > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> Yeah, thats my concern. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> I thought we were trying to stay away from pre-emptive rules > > >>> > > >>> and were > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> capable > > >>> > >>>>>> of policing ourselves like adults, or having in person > > >>> > > >>> conversations > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> to > > >>> > >>>>>> address issues instead of slyly bringing up board vote > topics > > >>> > > >>> that > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> apply to > > >>> > >>>>>> the whole membership three days before board meetings. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> I think we need a bylaw amendment that the agenda for a > board > > >>> > > >>> meeting > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> must be > > >>> > >>>>>> issued in full with any announcement. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> Am I allowed to bring issues up minutes before the board > > >>> > > >>> meeting? an > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> hour into > > >>> > >>>>>> it? > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> I think I'll do that. I'll propose that we stop coddling the > > >>> > >>>>>> community. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Justin Herman < > > >>> > > >>> [email protected]> > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>> > >>>>>> > > I think we need to set the option for you to be excused > for > > >>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> day with > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > the possibility of having membership terminated or > banned > > >>> > > >>> for > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > repeat/egregious behavior. Someone unwilling to > cooperate > > >>> > >>>>>> > > to > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> remove and > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > mitigate the issue and safety is of concern the police > > >>> > > >>> should be > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> called. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > I see a drug and alcohol policy as important as our > safety > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> requirements as > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > it put everyone at risk. Not only can SynHak be held > liable > > >>> > > >>> but > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> the > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > members > > >>> > >>>>>> > > and board who allow it to continue can be held liable. > > >>> > > >>> Safety is > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> of > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > concern > > >>> > >>>>>> > > as someone could personally feel they are alright to > > >>> > >>>>>> > > operate > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> machinery but > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > miss judge they capacity. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > These are awful concerns and no one likes to think about > > >>> > > >>> someone > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> getting > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > hurt BUT without a policy SynHak can't have a leg to > stand > > >>> > > >>> on. > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Seeley, Tim > (PSA-Akron) < > > >>> > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > [email protected]> wrote: > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> It might need to say something about what the adult > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> alcohol > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> permitted > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> behavior is. > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> V/R > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Tim Seeley > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: > > >>> > >>>>>> [email protected]] On > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Devin Wolfe > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:41 AM > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> To: [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Drug Policy > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Hello all, > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Up until now there has been no formal drug policy at > > >>> > > >>> synhak. But > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> with > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> several complaints and concerns raised recently I feel > it > > >>> > > >>> is > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> time we > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> implement one. As a corporation we jeopardise > ourselves if > > >>> > > >>> we > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> just turn a > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> blind eye. Plus working around dangerous tools while > under > > >>> > > >>> the > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> influence > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> is > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> a liability. > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Here is the wording I plan on submitting to the board: > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> SYNHAK INC. will not condone, endorse, or allow the > use of > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> illegal drugs > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> or related illegal activities including but not > limited to > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> illegal drug > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> use, possession, sale, manufacturing, transfer, > providing > > >>> > > >>> drugs > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> or > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> alcohol > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> to a minor, or consumption of drugs or alcohol by a > minor, > > >>> > > >>> as > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> defined and > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> stated in the Ohio Revised Code, any laws or set of > laws > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> pertaining to > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> any > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> location where SYNHAK INC. is at that time conducting > > >>> > > >>> business. > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> This > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> pertains but is not limited to agents, representatives, > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> volunteers, > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> members, nonmembers, employees, and contractors. > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> I would like the hear everyone's opinion on this. Also > do > > >>> > > >>> we > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> need an > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> explicit procedure for discipline or removal if needed? > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Please do not accuse, slander, or otherwise make this a > > >>> > > >>> personal > > >>> > > >>> > >>>>>> matter. > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Keep names out of it. > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> In excellence, > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Devin Wolfe > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>>>>> > > > > >>> > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>>>> > > [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>>>>> > > >>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>>>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>>>> [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>>>> > > >>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>>> [email protected] > > >>> > >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>>> > > >>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>>> [email protected] > > >>> > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >>> [email protected] > > >>> > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> > >> Discuss mailing list > > >>> > >> [email protected] > > >>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Discuss mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Sincerely, Tomm Smith > > >> God bless > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sincerely, Tomm Smith > > > God bless > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Discuss mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >
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