> If its decided that we must have a drug and alcohol policy, Pushing through a board vote without membership discussion doesn't mean "it is decided", FWIW.
On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:43:32 Omar Rassi wrote: > Is Synhak on trial for an incident that we now need to defend ourselves > with policy and paperwork? If its decided that we must have a drug and > alcohol policy, then it should be written by a lawyer and not by us (unless > a member here has a law degree). > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > > How has Synhak supported drug use? Alcohol is in the fridge and only > > adults consume it. The alcohol is brought in by adults with their own > > money, not one dime of funds from Synhak's coffers has gone to alcohol. > > Beer brewing is one our supported hacking activities, do we now need to > > have rules on that because people are getting out of control? > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Omar, > >> > >> Yes the restaurant can be liable IF it can be proven that the restaurant > >> supported this activity. The issue becomes how good is our defense. > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> So if someone snorts coke in a restaurant bathroom, the restaurant is > >>> liable? Again, I should emphasize, I'm not against the idea, I'm just > >>> against creating more regulation when there already exists the law. It > >>> isn't any of our business what life choices people make. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>> Omar, > >>>> > >>>> Without policy SynHak becomes compliant with legal issues in the space. > >>>> SynHak created the atmosphere for X to occur. Why? Because we wanted to > >>>> not > >>>> have rules is not valid legal defense. ESP since it has now been > >>>> brought up.>>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Omar Rassi <[email protected]>wrote: > >>>>> Personally, I'm not interested in policing the space, I don't come > >>>>> there to keep on eye on other members and visitors. The law doesn't > >>>>> disappear when you walk through the doors so I'm wondering why the > >>>>> organizing needs to apply more paperwork and wording on the subject. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Torrie Fischer < > >>>>> > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, March 07, 2014 12:20:05 Omar Rassi wrote: > >>>>>> > I'm taking this to mean that the liability waiver is not enough > >>>>>> > >>>>>> anymore. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Did something happen at the space recently? I'm not exactly against > >>>>>> > >>>>>> this > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > idea but so far the majority of people that come to the space and > >>>>>> > participate have been adults of sound mind. Has this gotten so out > >>>>>> > >>>>>> of hand > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > that people are no longer able to look out for eachother or > >>>>>> > restrain > >>>>>> > themselves so Synhak Inc. needs to step in and become big brother? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, thats my concern. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I thought we were trying to stay away from pre-emptive rules and were > >>>>>> capable > >>>>>> of policing ourselves like adults, or having in person conversations > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> address issues instead of slyly bringing up board vote topics that > >>>>>> apply to > >>>>>> the whole membership three days before board meetings. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think we need a bylaw amendment that the agenda for a board meeting > >>>>>> must be > >>>>>> issued in full with any announcement. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Am I allowed to bring issues up minutes before the board meeting? an > >>>>>> hour into > >>>>>> it? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think I'll do that. I'll propose that we stop coddling the > >>>>>> community. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Justin Herman <[email protected]> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > > I think we need to set the option for you to be excused for the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> day with > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > the possibility of having membership terminated or banned for > >>>>>> > > repeat/egregious behavior. Someone unwilling to cooperate to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> remove and > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > mitigate the issue and safety is of concern the police should be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> called. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > I see a drug and alcohol policy as important as our safety > >>>>>> > >>>>>> requirements as > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > it put everyone at risk. Not only can SynHak be held liable but > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > members > >>>>>> > > and board who allow it to continue can be held liable. Safety is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > concern > >>>>>> > > as someone could personally feel they are alright to operate > >>>>>> > >>>>>> machinery but > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > miss judge they capacity. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > These are awful concerns and no one likes to think about someone > >>>>>> > >>>>>> getting > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > hurt BUT without a policy SynHak can't have a leg to stand on. > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Seeley, Tim (PSA-Akron) < > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >> It might need to say something about what the adult alcohol > >>>>>> > >>>>>> permitted > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> behavior is. > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> V/R > >>>>>> > >> Tim Seeley > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> -----Original Message----- > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: > >>>>>> [email protected]] On > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Behalf Of Devin Wolfe > >>>>>> > >> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 11:41 AM > >>>>>> > >> To: [email protected] > >>>>>> > >> Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Drug Policy > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> Hello all, > >>>>>> > >> Up until now there has been no formal drug policy at synhak. But > >>>>>> > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> several complaints and concerns raised recently I feel it is > >>>>>> > >>>>>> time we > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> implement one. As a corporation we jeopardise ourselves if we > >>>>>> > >>>>>> just turn a > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> blind eye. Plus working around dangerous tools while under the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> influence > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> is > >>>>>> > >> a liability. > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> Here is the wording I plan on submitting to the board: > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> SYNHAK INC. will not condone, endorse, or allow the use of > >>>>>> > >>>>>> illegal drugs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> or related illegal activities including but not limited to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> illegal drug > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> use, possession, sale, manufacturing, transfer, providing drugs > >>>>>> > >>>>>> or > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> alcohol > >>>>>> > >> to a minor, or consumption of drugs or alcohol by a minor, as > >>>>>> > >>>>>> defined and > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> stated in the Ohio Revised Code, any laws or set of laws > >>>>>> > >>>>>> pertaining to > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> any > >>>>>> > >> location where SYNHAK INC. is at that time conducting business. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> pertains but is not limited to agents, representatives, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> volunteers, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> members, nonmembers, employees, and contractors. > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> I would like the hear everyone's opinion on this. Also do we > >>>>>> > >>>>>> need an > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> explicit procedure for discipline or removal if needed? > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> Please do not accuse, slander, or otherwise make this a personal > >>>>>> > >>>>>> matter. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> Keep names out of it. > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> In excellence, > >>>>>> > >> Devin Wolfe > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> Sent with AquaMail for Android > >>>>>> > >> http://www.aqua-mail.com > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> > >> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> > >> Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> > >> [email protected] > >>>>>> > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> > > Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> > > [email protected] > >>>>>> > > https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Discuss mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Discuss mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list [email protected] https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
