Additional points: Firstly #86 is probably *already happening informally*.
It is fair to be "explicit" (as Barbara suggested), for the people who this may effect. For example, I have been quietly told to steer clear of certain individuals with known poor behavior and in turn passed such information on to others (this may be prejudicial, but sorry, there's no way I wouldn't do everything I can to protect younger females in the community). Secondly, most harassment *does not get reported* -- *if you think otherwise please ask around*. Personally I'm so jaded, I'd probably never report anything that didn't require being reported to the cops (despite there having been colourful incidences, even in this community). When I was in my early 20s I had the scarring experience of having been forced to report workplace harassment (someone else observed) and it driving *me* out of the job. And the rest. Besides even if I wanted to report something I wouldn't really know how to and I'd be embarrassed, shy and undoubtedly play it down. Finally in my extremely personal opinion I'm .. skeptical about how effective CoCs are at handing individual incidents *BUT* strong evidence suggests a *correlation between CoC use and female attendance* -- *better than anything else that's ever been attempted* and that's good enough for me (to fight for). --- Elena :) @elequ On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Russell Keith-Magee < russ...@keith-magee.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Andrew Pinkham <m...@andrewsforge.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am not qualified enough to express an opinion on the matter of the >> DCoC. However, I have a few questions: >> >> - Have we consulted a psychologist or a specialist on the topics of >> community inclusion and protection? Their knowledge/research could be >> instrumental in determining the best way to write and implement a code of >> conduct. >> > > Yes. The original draft text came from the "Speak Up" project; the Ada > Initiative - a specialist group dealing with inclusivity and engagement of > women in technical spaces - was consulted during the drafting process, and > their suggestions (such as specifically enumerating infringing behaviours) > were incorporated into the text. > > - Am I correct in assuming that the sole aforementioned invocation of the >> DCoC was the following? >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-developers/Y_Tq7w4PAeI/WurT7J3Rcd0J > > > >> - Would it be correct to state that, with or without this wording, the >> results of breaking the DCoC would be identical? Is it correct to say that >> the new wording is for the benefit of being clear and open, such that new >> members better understand the rules? >> > > I believe so. One of the issues that has been referred to the Code of > Conduct committee was specifically about activities outside "official" > Django spaces. These changes serve to clarify the fact that we don't turn a > blind eye to infringing activities just because they weren't conducted "on > our turf". > > - These rules have been referred to several times as guidelines to adhere >> to. Would it be in the interest of the community to say as much on the DCoC >> webpage (rather than or alongside "rules")? >> > > The current text (https://www.djangoproject.com/conduct/) does say > something to this effect; specifically, Paragraph 3: "This isn’t an > exhaustive list of things that you can’t do. Rather, take it in the spirit > in which it’s intended - a guide to make it easier to enrich all of us and > the technical communities in which we participate." > > Of course, P2 also refers to the document as being a set of "rules". > Altering P2 (or the updated location as a result of PR#84) to say "This > code" rather than "these rules" makes sense to me. > > Yours, > Russ Magee %-) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Django developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to django-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to django-developers@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJxq849RRirywtER1kvb8twstTif%2BQ59oWELgSBSnL7%3DuARDxA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/django-developers/CAJxq849RRirywtER1kvb8twstTif%2BQ59oWELgSBSnL7%3DuARDxA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. 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