On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Nathan Baxter < nathanbax...@pixelmasochist.net> wrote:
> On 13/02/2013 06:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:02:14 +0000 Nathan Baxter > > <nathanbax...@pixelmasochist.net> said: > > > >> On 12/02/13 13:42, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > >>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:09:35 +0000 Nathan Baxter > >>> <nathanbax...@pixelmasochist.net> said: > >>> > >>> i would KILL for someone to take charge of www... do the css, html, > any php > >>> (please keep it simple - php is adequate. no fancy cms's or frameworks > >>> thanks)... and take charge of any gfx/design as well. pull together > >>> people/team to do it too AND to keep maintaining it over time... i'd > LOVe > >>> that... no toes being stepped on. i'd also just like it to complement > our > >>> current default theme/look. :) not clash. :) > >> That shouldn't be a problem, I've been studying the default to try and > >> wrap my head round edje (no joy) and a lot of what I've come up with so > > edje is easy. think of it as an overgrown xcf or psd... with each layer > > actually having a position and size.. and different states too that it > can > > transition between... the size and position is both relative and absolute > > depending on params or any combination of that.. and relative TO > something... > > (or nothing == relative to the object as a whole). layers (parts) can > also be > > text... blocks of formatted text and simple rects. it's just what e16 > themes > > had.. but on 3 container ships worth of steroids, and with a cherry on > top. :) > > oh and some parts (layerS) can embed whole new "external" objects into > them and > > thus control their size/position, visiblity and more... :) > > > > stuff works in reverse too... sizing of parts can be "reverse worked > out" to > > set a font, size and blob of text then ask the object "so given this > content.. > > what is your minimum size?". :) a lot of the ui sizing is controlled > this way. > > > >> far relies on the current look of the base site anyway, just different > >> methods of implementation. I do need to spend a little more time with > >> php, but I'm confident enough (far more confident than I am with edje - > >> which is why I *still* haven't released any dr17 themes.). > > hehehehe ok ok... once u get used ot edje.. u'll wish u had it in > > html/css/php... :) > > That's something I don't doubt. :) > > >>> hre's the catch - it'd be bad to half do it then vanish. :) so if you > want > >>> to "commit" then by all means... you are more than invited! all you > need is > >>> commit access. the rest is already automated. if you "get" how the > current > >>> simple php works - you can build and change from there as you see fit > >>> (theres the u.php that triggers an update if you open it in any > browser for > >>> example... :)). > >> I appreciate that. As previously mentioned I haven't made any major > >> advances in theme land since DR16 and I know I said before (2005 I > >> think) that I'd remain commited to keeping up to date and trying to stay > >> involved, but at least I didn't drop 23 Ounces of Glass 2 on any one ;) > > ahahahahhaah :) well if you want to do this and actually make it happen, > then > > it's all open doors. > > I do want to make it happen. > > >> As for commit access: I'll keep plugging at this externally for the rest > > right now that'll be a bit painful as we are about to move from svn to > git... > > so it may go thru some hiccups.... but it'll become "git push access" in > the > > end... you'll want a phabricator account when its all set up etc. > > If that's the case, I'll just work on a base XCF so I have a map of what > I feel needs to be done. > As soon as www is a git module I'll start the implementation. > > >> of the week, if at the end of this time I feel I've made a significant > >> and substantial improvement a commit bit would be useful, otherwise I'll > >> keep plugging at it until we're all happy! Alternatively I could start > >> small and branch out, the only problem with that is <td>'s don't float > ;) > > see above.. git move happening nowish... so it'll end up being git > access and > > may end up being next week or so so.. once www becomes a git module of > its > > own. :) > > > >> How far back does browser support need to go? > > for browsers? ummm tbh thats a good q. while i'd LIKE ie6 to work.. and > > netscape 1.1... and mosaic... reality is there is only so much we can > sensibly > > do. i think i'd say "make ie7 work" ie... when ie finally stopped being > AS crap > > and begin to think of the modern world a little.... but it depends on > how hard > > it is. > > There are more than a few tricks for this, it is time consuming, but not > impossible. > My job generally requires IE6 compatibility any way so I have the means > to test this. > > If a site works In IE 6,7,8, FF, Chrome, Opera and elinks we should have > most of the bases covered. > It'll just mean different css files per browser with a global css files > that contains all the attributes that are supported. The best part is > @media queries (which are required for view port sizing) in css files > are simply ignored by browsers that don't support them, so if you do > start changing the browser size nothing happens. > > It isn't backwards compatible, but http://pixelmasochist.net should give > you an idea of what I'm on about :) > HIRE THIS MAN IMMEDIATELY AND PAY HIM $TEXAS > >>>> Would I be stepping on anyones toes by giving the site a responsive > >>>> overhaul? > >>>> > >>>> My main reason for asking this is that the EFL is aimed at mobile > >>>> technologies as well as the desktop, where as the website currently > >>>> isn't. This will mean a massive restructure of the page flow, but I > >>>> think it will be worth it to allow more devices to view the site > proper > >>>> on one code base (not using m.enlightenment.org etc...) > >>>> > >>>> I have done some prelimanary (and not ready for public consumption) > >>>> design ideas, but thought I'd better check that no one else is on this > >>>> and I'm not going to be upsetting anyone. Also, is there a need/want > for > >>>> this to happen? > >>>> > >>>> If it's deemed a worthy pursuit all I'll need is a list of required > >>>> browsers to support. I've got enough VM's set up to go back to IE6 if > >>>> necessary. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers Chaps(esses) > >>>> > >>>> Nathan > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> pixelmasochist.net : it all heppens there. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer > >>>> Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 > >>>> and get the hardware for free! 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