On 13/02/13 08:00, Nathan Baxter wrote:
> On 13/02/2013 06:44, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:02:14 +0000 Nathan Baxter
>> <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> On 12/02/13 13:42, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:09:35 +0000 Nathan Baxter
>>>> <[email protected]> said:
>>>>
>>>> i would KILL for someone to take charge of www... do the css, html, any php
>>>> (please keep it simple - php is adequate. no fancy cms's or frameworks
>>>> thanks)... and take charge of any gfx/design as well. pull together
>>>> people/team to do it too AND to keep maintaining it over time... i'd LOVe
>>>> that... no toes being stepped on. i'd also just like it to complement our
>>>> current default theme/look. :) not clash. :)
>>> That shouldn't be a problem, I've been studying the default to try and
>>> wrap my head round edje (no joy) and a lot of what I've come up with so
>> edje is easy. think of it as an overgrown xcf or psd... with each layer
>> actually having a position and size.. and different states too that it can
>> transition between... the size and position is both relative and absolute
>> depending on params or any combination of that.. and relative TO something...
>> (or nothing == relative to the object as a whole). layers (parts) can also be
>> text... blocks of formatted text and simple rects. it's just what e16 themes
>> had.. but on 3 container ships worth of steroids, and with a cherry on top. 
>> :)
>> oh and some parts (layerS) can embed whole new "external" objects into them 
>> and
>> thus control their size/position, visiblity and more... :)
>>
>> stuff works in reverse too... sizing of parts can be "reverse worked out" to
>> set a font, size and blob of text then ask the object "so given this 
>> content..
>> what is your minimum size?". :) a lot of the ui sizing is controlled this 
>> way.
>>
>>> far relies on the current look of the base site anyway, just different
>>> methods of implementation. I do need to spend a little more time with
>>> php, but I'm confident enough (far more confident than I am with edje -
>>> which is why I *still* haven't released any dr17 themes.).
>> hehehehe ok ok... once u get used ot edje.. u'll wish u had it in
>> html/css/php... :)
>
> That's something I don't doubt. :)
>
>>>> hre's the catch - it'd be bad to half do it then vanish. :) so if you want
>>>> to "commit" then by all means... you are more than invited! all you need is
>>>> commit access. the rest is already automated. if you "get" how the current
>>>> simple php works - you can build and change from there as you see fit
>>>> (theres the u.php that triggers an update if you open it in any browser for
>>>> example... :)).
>>> I appreciate that. As previously mentioned I haven't made any major
>>> advances in theme land since DR16 and I know I said before (2005 I
>>> think) that I'd remain commited to keeping up to date and trying to stay
>>> involved, but at least I didn't drop 23 Ounces of Glass 2 on any one ;)
>> ahahahahhaah :) well if you want to do this and actually make it happen, then
>> it's all open doors.
>
> I do want to make it happen.
>
>>> As for commit access: I'll keep plugging at this externally for the rest
>> right now that'll be a bit painful as we are about to move from svn to git...
>> so it may go thru some hiccups.... but it'll become "git push access" in the
>> end... you'll want a phabricator account when its all set up etc.
>
> If that's the case, I'll just work on a base XCF so I have a map of what
> I feel needs to be done.
> As soon as www is a git module I'll start the implementation.
>
>>> of the week, if at the end of this time I feel I've made a significant
>>> and substantial improvement a commit bit would be useful, otherwise I'll
>>> keep plugging at it until we're all happy! Alternatively I could start
>>> small and branch out, the only problem with that is <td>'s don't float ;)
>> see above.. git move happening nowish... so it'll end up being git access and
>> may end up being next week or so so.. once www becomes a git module of its
>> own. :)
>>
>>> How far back does browser support need to go?
>> for browsers? ummm tbh thats a good q. while i'd LIKE ie6 to work.. and
>> netscape 1.1... and mosaic... reality is there is only so much we can 
>> sensibly
>> do. i think i'd say "make ie7 work" ie... when ie finally stopped being AS 
>> crap
>> and begin to think of the modern world a little.... but it depends on how 
>> hard
>> it is.
>
> There are more than a few tricks for this, it is time consuming, but not
> impossible.
> My job generally requires IE6 compatibility any way so I have the means
> to test this.
>
> If a site works In IE 6,7,8, FF, Chrome, Opera and elinks we should have
> most of the bases covered.

Really? Do people still care about IE6? Seriously dude, don't bother 
with this one. It's officially dead for a long time. Less than 6% of the 
world uses ie6, most of it from China. I think it's safe to say that 
less than 0.000000000000006% of the people that enter the E website use 
IE6. We can easily verify that with some server logs.

http://www.ie6countdown.com/

--
Tom.


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