On exactly 07/17/2002 01:25 PM of the sun cycle, the 1's and 0's of jud spencer spelled the following...
> On 7/17/02 11:52 AM, "Jen Funk Segrest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> And iSynch only makes sense since it took palm so long to go to OSX, MS so >> long to come out with one, and handspring still hasn't moved over yet. I >> hope isynch works on my visor, I really do. Apple is just cutting the >> developers out of the lop for being so logy. > > Jud Spencer said.. > > I'm on vacation, so consider me not a Microsoft employee for the next two > paragraphs. iSync makes sense to me if it is an open architecture. If it > truly is only for Apple applications, that's truly a shame, that tells me > that Apple is much more interested in their application business than they > are in the platform business. Very true, but hasn't Steve repeatedly stated that these applications are available as a part of the system, allowing any application to access their data if written to do so? > FWIW: with the new Palm Conduit we shipped a generic Entourage Sync engine. > You will see other products using it in the near future. Probably before Apple > ships iSync. It lets anything transfer data into and out of Entourage's > Contacts, Calendar, Tasks, and Notes modules. Yeah, but would it be an engine only for MS applications or would it be used by others? Are you sharing the API's? > Today's keynote left a bitter taste in my mouth because Apple continues to > borrow heavily from the work that we've done in Entourage. Their new Address > Book and the iCal window look strikingly similar to Entourage. Funny, I always > thought Microsoft was the one who supposedly borrowed all of Apple's ideas. Well, I can agree that Apple wants their programs to do certain things, things that some MS applications do. However, I don't see how it's "copying." A junk mail filter, is like a spell checker for a word processor. It's not a proprietary feature concept, but one that just makes sense. If this is copying, so be it. Good ideas should be shared, whether it's Apple sharing with MS or vice versa. However, These applications that Apple is writing, are Cocoa, and they are completely different at the core, drawers being one feature I love about 'em. > jud > > P.S., two years ago at MWNY there were a series of quotes on the wall of the > iMac pavilion. One of them was the Picasso quote, "Good artists borrow, > great ones steal" :) > > I still love Apple, I just respect them a little less today. Eh, their just competitive. They've been like this all along. Most any company is. I can respect that, so long as it doesn't just produce mediocre products of homogeny like we see in competitive markets like fast food. If one can steal, and make a better product or piece of art, or just something different, I'm all for it. There will some tears shed by some though, and I know how that feels, but that's what open source communities deal with everyday, and the user experience continues to get better. I've seen time and time again, MS will do that same as Apple, and just add it to their quagmire, it gets lost and is usually given to users at a below par level in the end. It would be great if they could really do some amazing things...really, on the Windows side. I'm on Mac OS X and Apple, simply because it's more amazing to use. It seemed Steve was feeling a little more independent of the pressure that MS has on Apple, you know, with Office. Funny though, if so few people are using Office v.X, what was it...350,000? And there are 2.5 million users are OS X. So, how important is Office to Mac users in reality? Wouldn't Apple be able to handle not having Office? People don't by Apple because it runs Office, that's obvious. At any rate though, I write this in Entourage, thinking I'll be switching when Jaguar comes out, at least just to see how them there Cocoa applications are. They'll finally have some basic features I'd like to have that are present in Entourage, and will perform the way Cocoa applications do. And I love Cocoa much more vs. Carbon. You do a great job though Jud. All of you do, and I credit you for the intensive work you've done with Office, and all the other Mac BU products. They don't feel so much like MS applications...that is, I don't feel like I on Windows when using them. That says a lot. As long as they are good applications, I'll use 'em, so long as nothing better comes along. I'd really like a smart junk mail filter, that learns from user actions in Entourage. That's really tugging at me. That and also the Cocoa interface and performance. Those two are pretty big and don't exist in an MS app yet. Jeffrey W. Ryan -- To unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> archives: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.letterrip.com/> old-archive: <http://www.mail-archive.com/entourage-talk%40lists.boingo.com/>
