Chip, I agree.

I think Canon's 200 f/1.8 L, the 300 f/2.8 L IS, and the 400 f/2.8 L IS are
the 3 finest lenses Canon produces.  (I should say 'produced,' since Canon
stopped manufacturing the 200 f/1.8 L.)

I too shoot with a 1D.  I too shoot with a 70-200 with and without a 1.4X
extender (and now with the 100-400 f/5.6 L IS).  My experiences are quite
like yours noted below.

But I have resisted the temptation to purchase a 2.0X extender.  I'm just
not convinced that a lens in combination with a 2.0X extender is as good as
simply using another lens without the 2.0X extender.  And sometimes I have
to rent to accomplish this.

When I get into a hockey stadium with poor ambient lighting (ISO1250,
1/500th, f/1.8), there's still nothing that beats the gorgeous color I can
still get using a 200 f/1.8 L prime.

And when I get into an evening baseball game, with gorgeous portrait style
sun streaming onto the batter's face (ISO200, 1/500th, f/2.8), there's just
no substitute for the 400 f/2.8 L IS prime to stop the ball coming right
into the bat.

Thanks for the suggestion on buying 'used.'  If my need picks up beyond what
I currently own and beyond my willingness to rent, I'll start studying for a
purchase.

Best regards,

Bill Neukranz 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Louie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: EOS Another Lens Debate: 300 f/2.8 vs 100-400 IS

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I don't know if you have seen this but a good used EF 300 2.8L can be had
for about $2,000-$2,500 depending on how patient you are.  I've purchased
two of them on-line and they were both near mint lenses.  From the
perspective of a film based sports shooter there is no substitute for a
Canon EF 300 2.8L, trust me, I've tried.  The EF 300 2.8L is the single most
flexible tool you can add to your film based lens quiver if you shoot
sports!

When I went to a 1D body things changed and I'm now pretty happy with the EF
70-200 2.8L at an effective [EMAIL PROTECTED]/2.8 and [EMAIL PROTECTED]/4 with an EF 
1.4X.  I
may wind up buying yet another EF 300 4L IS to use with the EF 1.4X at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/5.6 but I'm waiting to see if I can live with just getting a new EF
2X seriesII converter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]/5.6.  I made the mistake of selling my EF
2X before I tried it thinking that I would not need it but I miss the 600mm
f/5.6 I used to get with the 300 2.8L and EF 2X!  Oh well live and learn.
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