Man this is a hard room . am I working to hard? ----- Original Message ----- From: "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jon Hallquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:38 AM Subject: Re: What's in the Box? Re: Tilley Generator
> Lee and others > I may have pushed Mr.Littlefield to far and I apologies to him and the > list. I believe we all want to be kept posted on the progress and prep for > the demo. Why would he not post his car? I don't think he realizes the > Power of the hood ornament which he will get no credit for if he doesn't > post. I am checking to see when my Truck will pop up on the top ten. I may > have made some mistakes down loading. He still could will the race(to see > who post first) I was starting to like the gentleman as I still believe that > he believes. The switching drivers really bothers me as I said before. There > is no need for that and its probable best that he "probe" the drivers > himself and find out what it is they are hiding for his own sake. This > could be how Mr..Talley is fooling him . Has Mr. littlemen invested and > supported him? who's name is on the car title? I am wondering if there > really is going to be a demonstration. They may call it off because of what > I requested. But how else could we be sure that he and the rest of us were > not being tricked Mr. Tilley and his drivers. Has anybody seen anything > other than what's been posted and on the web site. I will not go back to his > website as I have just got my computer working again. Was my request out of > line? If we are to believe what he is saying, should we know and see > everything. of course. Has he seen everything? dose he understand what he is > seeing? Mr. Littlefield I will come and help you (if I can get a ride and > if the event is really happening!!!) I will go over every inch of the car . > I will bring my meter with hood ornament charged battery and investigate. I > will get to the bottom of this (with the help of the list) and we will find > out what tricks Mr. Tilley has pulled on you. > Your friend Steve Clunn > P.S Is the list behind me on this or am I alone as we will need expert > advice and maybe the police! > I feel very strongly that my Truck (with wind mill hood ornament) should be > next to his Delorean on the top ten and was thinking that If Lee has > something to post (with hood ornament) we could have a Delorean sandwich. > But he will have to download those pictures soon. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: What's in the Box? Re: Tilley Generator > > > > Please Lee, I expected better from you. > > > > First I didn't say that you couldn't power things with static > > electricity, I said you couldn't power a car that way. Do you really > > think they have developed something that fits into a little box and can > > gather 15-20 killowatts worth of static electricity on a continuous basis? > > > > Secondly your friends antenna setup is most likely collecting EMF energy > > from radio broadcasts (and lightning), not static electricity. Without > > direct beamed energy this can't power an EV either, an array big enough > > to collect any useable energy would cause more aero drag than the energy > > it collected. I won't even get into direct beamed energy. > > > > I'll buy the bit about these guys not knowing enough about electronics > > to know the difference between "amplifying" and "transforming" though. > > > > Lee Hart wrote: > > > > >VanDerWal, Peter MSgt wrote: > > > > > >>You guys aren't still buying into this are you? You did read the part > > >>where he claims that his box basically collects and amplifies static > > >>electricity...right? You do realize that it isn't possible to power > > >>a car this way...right? ... The man is a fraud, let it rest. > > >> > > > > > >Let's not cross the line from skeptic into cynic until we see how his > > >test turns out. > > > > > >Sure, I have my doubts (MAJOR doubts!). But I also know that many great > > >inventions were accidental discoveries, and their inventor's initial > > >explanations were often far off the mark. Lee DeForest patented the > > >vacuum tube, yet his patent and statements about the device make it > > >clear that he didn't have the faintest idea how it worked. > > > > > >"Collecting" static electricity is fairly easy. There are lots of > > >electrostatic generators. Of course, they all require some form of > > >energy input (no free lunch). But some of the sources of this energy can > > >be pretty obscure (friction, sky current, etc.). > > > > > >"Amplifies" could just be a layman's term for transforming high-voltage > > >low-current into low-voltage high-current. > > > > > >As for not powering things with static electricity, let me tell you > > >about a friend of mine. He had an old TV antenna on his roof. He > > >observed that if you undgrounded it, it picked up a significant "static" > > >voltage even in clear weather (and vastly more during a thunderstorm, of > > >course). He connected it to a huge bank of capacitors, and it did indeed > > >charge them up and could power loads with them (mainly, to light gas > > >discharge tubes, briefly run electrostatic motors, or produce hellish > > >arcs to entertain friends :-). > > > > > >It's not so much that you can't do things with static electricity; it's > > >just that the leakage currents get so bad that it's hard to get any kind > > >of efficiency out of them. > > > > > > > > >
