Hi Michael, I don't think anyone here is mad at you - I am certainly not. Occasionally I can come across a little annoyed if I hear something that was brought up many times and rebuked (with real science, not an axe to grind) as many times. Sorry if that happened here. Please be aware that this list exists for a very long time and many issues have been discussed over and over again with a typical repetition pattern of a couple years between every recurrence. So, I recommend you search the archives on past discussions if you like to bring up something that is not freshly published, as there is a good chance that you will get answers and guidance from yesteryears, when the issue *was* fresh. If you can't find it in the archives, please feel free to bring up new subjects (within the context of the EVDL = discuss EVs) and even if you find it discussed in the archive, but have something new to add, please feel free to address it, preferably with the reference to the archive so everyone knows that you already did your homework and you are adding to the collective knowledge here!
I hope you had a wonderful Memorial Holiday, unfortunately it is not celebrated where I am visiting currently. BTW - yesterday David (the list admin) brought up the use of adding email addresses to copy the discussion to others. His suggestion was to not do that so I removed all copy addresses except the list. Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626 -----Original Message----- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Michael Ross via EV Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:03 PM To: Mark Abramowitz; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: EVDL Administrator Subject: Re: [EVDL] Solar roadways. I never said I put much faith in it, but I did actually read some to see what they were trying to do. I am curious if the debunkers also had an ax to grind. I thought the Hummer/Prius ranking was a likely sign of crappiness, but I could see where it came from. Let's face is having two power plants is a bad idea. And at the time I read it probably more than ten years ago, the Prius was not especially popular and so took hits for things like not very recyclable. Since I own an xB I was interested to see why they ranked best. It had to do with lots of parts coming from Camrys and Corollas, it was pretty decent mileage at the time, and small in size and mass. Couldn't pick out any points on any car that I completely disagreed with, but I can't say about the methodology. I think it is more like a horoscope - it can bring up interesting things to cogitate over, but the main rpemise is flawed. Do you all just hate me here? Or does people just talking always make someone here mad? On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV <firstname.lastname@example.org>wrote: > Amen! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 26, 2014, at 2:59 PM, EVDL Administrator via EV <email@example.com> > wrote: > > > On 26 May 2014 at 12:09, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > > >> Interesting and not surprising to many EV types, the Prius was found > >> slightly less environmentally favorable than said Hummer. > > > > Great clickbait! And, like most clickbait, it's rubbish. > > > > These studies are complex and are typically built on a foundation of > best- > > and worst-case estimates piled on guesses. The authors decide in advance > > what conclusion they want the study to have, then choose from the menu of > > wildly disparate numbers available until they get that desired > conclusion. > > > > Regrettably, there are usually no consequences for the "scientists" who > lend > > their good names to these bogus "studies." > > > > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA > > EVDL Administrator > > > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not > > reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my > > email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Put this question to yourself: should I use everyone else to attain happiness, or should I help others gain happiness? *Dalai Lama * Tell me what it is you plan to do With your one wild and precious life? Mary Oliver, "The summer day." To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. Thomas A. Edison<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/t/thomasaed125362.html> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet* Michael E. Ross (919) 550-2430 Land (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Google Phone (919) 631-1451 Cell (919) 513-0418 Desk michael.e.r...@gmail.com <michael.e.r...@gmail.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140526/2452 3b30/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)