With all sympathy to taxi drivers and such, I don't think you have a
fair comparison. To take a taxi home might cost $30 where calling your
own vehicle might cost $5 to make the equivalent round trip.
At present, there are technical limitations, as you cite. However, I'm
quite certain that the technology will improve to the point where an
autonomous car will be less accident prone in virtually all cases. One
can always find an exception but I think these will be statistics at the
"noise" level, meaning that your chance of getting killed in a
autonomous failure is no greater than, say, an oncoming car swerving
into your lane when it's too late to react.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Dennis Miles" <[email protected]>
To: "Peri Hartman" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 06-Aug-14 3:20:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks> driver climbs out of window
to prove (video)
As I see it the problems with autonomous cars is the estimated $50.000
EXTRA they will cost to purchase, their proven inability to safely
drive in city traffic, without human supervision. And the resulting
loss of jobs (and the consequential unemployment.) for usurping taxi
drivers, Limo drovers, Bus drivers, and Chauffeurs jobs which could
have been created or preserved by not adopting an autonomous vehicle
and human drivers cost less per year also. In your scenario the car
comes into the city to bring you home, although a Taxi and driver can
do that even today, an autonomous car has to have human supervision in
cities, so it can not. (Having been a Taxi and Handicapped Van driver
from 2005-6-7-8 I have a definitive point of view.
Dennis Lee Miles
([email protected])
Founder: EV Tech. Institute Inc.
Phone # (863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)
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intelligent enough, to know, that there is plenty left to learn!
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Peri Hartman via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
While I agree that there are some strong political and job transition
issues that will arrive with autonomous cars, I completely disagree
that they will be unnecessary.
Possible benefits:
- take transit in the morning, stay late, call for your car at 10pm to
pick you up;
- intoxicated; let the car drive
- share a ride to a event, need to leave early, call car to pick up
up.
And so on...
In particular, I think they could be a boon for public transit. So
many people take a car during the morning rush hour because they need
to do something after work. Imagine instead that they take public
transit in the morning, which results in less vehicles on the road
and, in the evening when the traffic has died down, their car can come
and get them. Also saves on parking space construction and cost to
use.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Dennis Miles via EV" <[email protected]>
To: "Ben Goren" <[email protected]>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion
List" <[email protected]>
Sent: 06-Aug-14 2:16:00 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: i3 EV self-parks> driver climbs out of
window to prove (video)
Autonomous cars and wireless charging are two job destroyers at an
excessive cost. Both New Jersey and Oregon have thousands of labor
jobs at
minimum wage for fuel (Gasoline) pump operators, (NO "self service"
pumps!
) I have said before self driving autonomous autos are unnecessary
and
motivation for their use is only from profit motive if the
manufacturers. A
"Chauffeur" to drive your car or a Taxi and Driver or Limo and driver
are
less expensive than paying $50,000 for one of the autonomous vehicles
for
personal use. and replacing a Truck Driver is an economic loss for
the
freight business. Drivers are more versatile and have a proven safety
record. A human being can make a decision based upon experience and
training and intuition which a computer cannot match. If you want to
move
freight less expensively make an investment in rail-road
infrastructure.
Dennis Lee Miles
(*[email protected] <[email protected]>)*
* Founder: **EV Tech. Institute Inc.*
*Phone #* *(863) 944-9913 (12 noon to 12 midnight Eastern US Time)*
*Educating yourself, does not mean you were **stupid; it means, you
are
intelligent enough, **to know, that there is plenty left to learn!*
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<http://youtu.be/T-FVjMRVLss> *
* NEW You Tube Video link: *http://youtu. be/Pz9-TZtySh8
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Ben Goren via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Lee Hart via EV <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>>> expecting the car to plug itself into a wall outlet / cable is
asking
a
>>>> bit much.
>
>>> I can easily imagine a robot arm that can reach out, find and
connect
to some
>>> contacts mounted somehow on the front license plate area.
>
>> That's a lot of moving parts to break, especially considering
how many
people
>> have trouble not running over things in the garage already. Plus
the
hazard
>> of people or pets or other things getting caught up in the
mechanism.
>
> This strikes me as a non-problem that keeps getting elevated into
something much bigger and more complicated than it needs to be.
I think you're right. What's exciting to me is that two
technological
advances are starting to mature at the same time, and that the two
of the
together will potentially be much more significant than either
would be
separately.
ICE and EV cars are both equally well suited to autonomous driving,
but EV
cars are _much_ better suited to autonomous recharging than ICE
cars are to
autonomous refueling.
At-home EV recharging is already more than plenty good enough for
all but
the idle super-rich. At-home charging isn't merely a solved
problem; it
never really was a problem in the first place.
On-the-go EV recharging is only a problem when the miles driven in
a day
are greater than the miles the car gets on an overnight charge.
Save for
road trips, the Tesla is already there and others will soon follow
as
battery prices continue to drop. And plugin hybrids such as the
Volt and my
Mustang project also have that problem "well enough" solved; if
most people
only filled up their gas tanks a few times a year rather than a few
times a
month, many (but not all) of our fossil fuel problems would
magically go
away.
What EVs do at this time when many new cars can already drive
themselves
in limited ways is open up the possibility for fleets of fully
autonomous
nearly maintenance-free magic carpets. _That's_ the exciting bit.
How they
wind up charging themselves isn't something anybody other than the
mass
market manufacturers really need to worry about.
b&
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