That is very true. It's 'cool' to drive EV's nowadays. They're fun and quick but also safe. That fame is all thanks to Tesla. But for some reason NEDRA did not achieve the same results while it was quick and fun. Too nerdy to be associated to?
It seems to be a combination of many things while creating possibilities for others being able to associate to something as fun as that. Did I make any sense here? :) Be desirable, create need and provide something to satisfy the need. That F-350 is selling because it is or at least it was heavily supported through taxation. It's considered to be safe as people on that ramming device would walk away on most of the head on collisions. The thing is only train or Leopard 2A4 prevails against semi truck. It would stun everyone if Smart, Tango or Aptera did that. Before this happens people desire safe 3 ton battery-on-wheels EV. -Jukka 2015-09-29 19:23 GMT+03:00 Sean Korb via EV <[email protected]>: > I'm trying to imagine the survivability rate of an F-350 Dually in a head > on collision with a semi. A lot of selling a vehicle to customers is > perception, not what they might experience in the real world. > > Most of what is needed is the perception of fun, and while other car buyers > have different priorities, this is the one that will win out, heavy, light, > armored or exposed. If it seems not-fun; it won't sell. > > Fortunately most EV sales are targeted well at this market :) > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Jukka Järvinen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I think there is an opening for this niche light vehicle market. It just > > has to be taken with extreme measures. > > > > If one could build that economic bullet-shaped > > Kevlar-Carbonfibre-Ceramic-nano-nano-nanotube car which would prevail on > > head-on collision with semi-truck... If it's light and beats the starts > off > > from Model S crash test results. Then you get noticed and sales would be > > good. > > > > But as long as the tiny cars are associated to the furry-mobile on the > Dumb > > and dumber movie.... No sale. > > > > -Jukka > > p.s.- don't shoot the messenger... > > > > http://www.google.com/profiles/jarviju#about > > > > 2015-09-29 14:56 GMT+03:00 Mark Abramowitz via EV <[email protected]>: > > > > > I think that's part of the reason. > > > > > > EV or not, you don't see a lot of demand for tiny, light cars either. > > Part > > > of the reason is safety, or perceived safety, part may be visibility, > > part > > > of it is comfort, and frankly, a lot of people just can't get into very > > > small cars. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2015, at 4:09 AM, paul dove via EV <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Easy, > > > > The only people buying EVs now are early adopters. It's new and most > > > people are afraid of them. > > > > > > > > People who already had a lead EV, people who only buy the latest > tech, > > > and green people, those are the customer base. > > > > Elon Musk said that he would go to high society dinners and functions > > > and see a Prius parked next to Mazarattis, Mercedes, and all sorts of > > other > > > expensive car. He said it is a shame that a green person with moneys > only > > > choice is a Prius. > > > > So, he decided to make an electric car for them. Only he wanted the > > best > > > EV and the best car ever. So naturally it sold. He had a target market > > and > > > filled a void. He also got the lastest tech people as well. > > > > The rest of the auto makers are making EVs because the government > makes > > > them so naturally they inferior. > > > > As far a a light efficient car,.... there is no market. Small cars > have > > > never sold well unless they were cool like the Mini. > > > > Paul > > > > From: rayfellow via EV <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2015 11:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The Big EV Debate> Go for Small or Big > > Battery > > > Pack? > > > > > > > > In 2012 I was helping Oliver Kuttner promote his VLC or Very Light > Car. > > > It > > > > was very aerodynamic too (0.16 drag). His team won the X prize in > 2008 > > - > > > > getting 108 or so MPG with fuel. The car he had in California was > > > electric. > > > > It had a 10KWh battery and would go 100 miles between charges - It > > > weighed > > > > under 1,000 pounds. I rode in the car some 50 miles or so, and was > > > impressed > > > > with the ride, comfort etc. It carried 4 passengers. > > > > > > > > About this time Tesla came out with their car - Big battery and > heavy. > > I > > > > thought that the VLC would be as popular as the Tesla.. Boy was I > > wrong! > > > No > > > > one seemed impressed that the VLC would go a mile on 100wh vs the > 300wh > > > for > > > > the Tesla. > > > > > > > > I thought that both would be well recieved. Alas the VLC still sits > > > waiting > > > > for traction. No one seems interested in it. I wondered why? The only > > > answer > > > > I can come up with is the cost of electricity is relitively cheap > > > compared > > > > to liquid fuel. The difference in per mile costs for an efficient EV > > vs a > > > > heavy user is still not all that much. > > > > > > > > I have pondered this. Maybe there are other reasons too - but > > seriously, > > > > none of the current EV's comes close to Aptera or VLC in efficency.. > > and > > > yet > > > > no one wants them. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > View this message in context: > > > > > > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-The-Big-EV-Debate-Go-for-Small-or-Big-Battery-Pack-tp4677803p4677812.html > > > > Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive > at > > > Nabble.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > > > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150929/ba73cc88/attachment.htm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > > > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150929/074181b4/attachment.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > > -- > Sean Korb [email protected] http://www.spkorb.org > '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382 > "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller > "Computers are useless. 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