One of the problems is that people expect one vehicle to be able to do everything (except be fuel efficient). That's why we have so many huge SUV's - 4x4 in case it's needed, tow capacity just in case, 7 passengers just in case, and we've created monsters that have made it unsafe to drive small vehicles. The new idea is right-sized vehicles, last-mile vehicles and mobility as a service. All the big guys are putting out electric vans that can do the big stuff but are way overkill for the majority of around town deliveries and will be very expensive. This little van is supposed to fill the space inbetween. "Better is the enemy of good enough". Not for everybody but it will suit many (we hope).
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM paul dove via EV <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you are dreaming. Who makes a pickup that will tow 25k? I think > only a few of them will tow 18K and you won’t buy one for under $40k. > > The cyber truck advertised 14k towing. Not bad for the price. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:26 AM, George Mullineaux via EV <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > It appears that I lit a match under a powder keg of frustration. Is > anyone in this group connected to Tesla in any way? I attempted to get a > message to Elon Musk a couple of years ago when the idea of his truck was > gaining ground. I was so disappointed at the unveiling, because the > Cybertruck missed my needs by a country mile. We need a truck that is > powerful, capable and affordable. Instead he shows us a truck that is > bullet-proof, Porsche-fast and a little on the high-priced side. Is there > any way to communicate with these automakers? Ford teased us with a video > of an EV prototype F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds. That is over-kill, but it > at least shows the possibilities. Produce an EV pick-up that can haul > construction materials and tow somewhere between 18K and 25K pounds with > about 150-200 miles of range and I believe it would sell. I guess we are > asking too much! > > > > George Mullineaux > > 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: EV <[email protected]> On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator > via EV > > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 09:12 > > To: Peri Hartman <[email protected]>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List < > [email protected]> > > Cc: EVDL Administrator <[email protected]> > > Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project > > > >> On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > >> > >> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best > >> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do > >> what is rumored, ... > > > > Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US. From my admittedly casual > exposure, It seems quite different in Europe. I don't know that I'd say > they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two. > > > > Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop > shows up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark. Much of their EV > effort is focused on the EU and Asia these days. Those are the places that > are REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them. And that > is where EVs are selling. 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