False expectation of one vehicle to do everything: ideally that's crazy,
but there's a reason for it.
Easiest to reiterate my case. I want a high clearance vehicle for forest
service roads. Also need a lot of range since there's no opportunity to
charge, in some cases, for nearly the entire round trip which can be
over 200 miles. In addition, if I do another real estate investment soon
(likely) I'll need a "construction" van.
Gary, your van could work for construction. But it doesn't meet the long
range or high clearance part (or driving on freeways). So, I would need
a second vehicle with those attributes plus enough room to carry 4
people and 4 large backpacks and a bit of other stuff. That would be two
fairly large vehicles.
However, I'd like to move to owning one car, rather than two. If I do
that, my car needs to meet all these requirements. (And, no, I can't
rent a vehicle each time I go hiking or to other activities in the
mountains. Rental companies don't allow that use, plus it's a lot of
overhead for an already very long day.)
I agree with the principle of buying a car that fits most of your needs
and finding something else for the few times it doesn't ... if that
works.
Peri
------ Original Message ------
From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org>
Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" <info.zwhe...@gmail.com>
Sent: 17-Jun-20 2:57:30 PM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project
One of the problems is that people expect one vehicle to be able to do
everything (except be fuel efficient). That's why we have so many huge
SUV's - 4x4 in case it's needed, tow capacity just in case, 7 passengers
just in case, and we've created monsters that have made it unsafe to drive
small vehicles. The new idea is right-sized vehicles, last-mile vehicles
and mobility as a service. All the big guys are putting out electric vans
that can do the big stuff but are way overkill for the majority of around
town deliveries and will be very expensive. This little van is supposed to
fill the space inbetween. "Better is the enemy of good enough". Not for
everybody but it will suit many (we hope).
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:03 PM paul dove via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
I think you are dreaming. Who makes a pickup that will tow 25k? I think
only a few of them will tow 18K and you won’t buy one for under $40k.
The cyber truck advertised 14k towing. Not bad for the price.
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> On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:26 AM, George Mullineaux via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:
>
> It appears that I lit a match under a powder keg of frustration. Is
anyone in this group connected to Tesla in any way? I attempted to get a
message to Elon Musk a couple of years ago when the idea of his truck was
gaining ground. I was so disappointed at the unveiling, because the
Cybertruck missed my needs by a country mile. We need a truck that is
powerful, capable and affordable. Instead he shows us a truck that is
bullet-proof, Porsche-fast and a little on the high-priced side. Is there
any way to communicate with these automakers? Ford teased us with a video
of an EV prototype F150 pulling 1,000,000 pounds. That is over-kill, but it
at least shows the possibilities. Produce an EV pick-up that can haul
construction materials and tow somewhere between 18K and 25K pounds with
about 150-200 miles of range and I believe it would sell. I guess we are
asking too much!
>
> George Mullineaux
> 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 09:12
> To: Peri Hartman <pe...@kotatko.com>; Electric Vehicle Discussion List <
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> Subject: [External] Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project
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>> On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote:
>>
>> Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best
>> chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do
>> what is rumored, ...
>
> Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US. From my admittedly casual
exposure, It seems quite different in Europe. I don't know that I'd say
they're any less likely to develop a substantial hauler than the other two.
>
> Whether it and anything else that the other major automakers develop
shows up in the US is, IMO, a bigger question mark. Much of their EV
effort is focused on the EU and Asia these days. Those are the places that
are REQUIRING EVs, and offering significant incentives for them. And that
is where EVs are selling. Renault's second largest selling vehicle in
January (before the epidemic hit) was an EV.
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> Let's hope that I'm being too pessimistic about the US EV future.
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