I was so glad to have some 'text' on UD(A), comp, the P-words (Platonia, Paeano, Plotinus), the hypostases, in your post. Alas! Still all techy, only for the adepts. Not in Mark's required "plain language". (English or what?) (I still stumble among them). My question now: How do we distinguish "Everything" from "Almost Everything"? We are still 'walled in' by our (or: OK, let's call it: the Loeb machine's) knowledge base. How can we know that we include things we do not know ABOUT? (Part of the real total Everything, of course) and build our 'world' on a partial model - called (our?) "Everything"? Then, by some event unforeseeable some 'left-out' effect may show up and we happily and self-justifiedly refuse it, as nonsense (happened many times in the conventional reductionist sciences). How are we better? We have no idea if we know but a negligible bit or almost all. We may be the laughing stock for an alien with wider knowledgebase (and: 'smarter'). Ad vocem 'smarter': I am sorry for the greatgrandkids who - in your remark of yesterday may not be smarter than we are, just have a wider source of information (epistemy). Does that mean that you do not believe we are 'smarter' than humans of 2-3 millennia ago? (Could be, because you base much knowledge on Plato etc., - the old Greeks). I still hold to the Leninian wisdom that quantity turns into quality and increasing the info-basis MAY(?) result in also smarter understganding - i.e. better wisdom. So I put on hold my regret for the greatgrandkids for now.
Regards John M ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Evidence for the simulation argument Le 17-mars-07, à 00:11, Brent Meeker a écrit : > But what is Platonia - Tegmarks all mathematically consistent > universe? or Bruno's Peano arithmetic - or maybe Torny's finite > arithmetic (which would be a much smaller "everything"). > > And how do things "run" in Platonia? Do we need temporal modes in > logic, as well as epistemic ones? Brent, for what I understand, you seem to believe in both a material primitive universe, and in the computationalist hypothesis. It is just up to you, then, to find an error in the Universal Dovetailer argument. This is a proof, a destructive platonic thought experiment in the sense of James Brown (the lboratory of mind) that you cannot have both materialism and computationalism. The argument should make us more modest: it shows that we have to explain matter from mind. Then I provide a path for extracting physics from numbers, by interviewing Peano Arithmetic, or any lobian machine, and *she* forces an important number of nuanced distinction between computing, proving, knowing, and an infinity of commitment gamblings: which correspond to the (arithmetical hypostases): p (truth) Bp (provable) Bp & p (knowable, correctly provabie) Bp & Dp (gamblings) Bp & Dp & p (correct gambling, feeling) And the incompleteness phenomenon multiplies by 2 most of the hypostases, by distinguishing what the machine can say about them and what is true about them. This gives 8 modal logics, which, as I have explained some time ago, determines each a "geometrical" (Kripke) multiverse. It makes comp (and the arithmetical interpretation of Plotinus theology) experimentally testable. As I said in the FOR list, we have to take into account two major discovery: The universal machine (talks bits) The other universal machine (the quantum universal machine, she talks qubits). The UDA shows that if comp is true there is necessary a path from bits to qubits, and, by the G G* distinction, it provided an explanation of both quanta and qualia from numbers (and addition and multiplication). I have not extracted the measure (nor do I think Russell did to be honest), but I have extracted the logic of certainty (credibility one) associated to each hypostasis, and those corresponding to Plotinus Matter (or "our" measure *one*) is already perhaps enough quantum like to justify a quantum topology or "deep enough" universal machine. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.12/724 - Release Date: 3/16/2007 12:12 PM --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
