That's all fine and I appreciate the position (once we 'have gotten' to circumstances providing the idea of a Loeb machine) - what I want to inject is Dr. Johnson's stone, which is not 'mind-stuff'' and in his shoe DID HURT (his mind). Not vice versa. Please, let it go as a remark outside the discussion. John

On 3/28/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Brent, > > As you can guess, I am searching an old post of view which I intended > to answer, and then I take opportunity to comment some other one, on > some point which are perhaps somehow important ... > > Le 17-mars-07, à 21:19, Brent Meeker a écrit : > > > > > Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> Le 17-mars-07, à 00:11, Brent Meeker a écrit : > >> > >>> But what is Platonia - Tegmarks all mathematically consistent > >>> universe? or Bruno's Peano arithmetic - or maybe Torny's finite > >>> arithmetic (which would be a much smaller "everything"). > >>> > >>> And how do things "run" in Platonia? Do we need temporal modes in > >>> logic, as well as epistemic ones? > >> > >> > >> Brent, for what I understand, you seem to believe in both a material > >> primitive universe, and in the computationalist hypothesis. > > > > I don't believe either one - I just contemplate them. ;-) > > > > Since it is not at all clear to me that Peano arithmetic, or any > > mathematics, exists I'm uncertain as to whether there is greater > > explanatory power in your UDA as compared to Peter's "some things > > exist and others don't". > > > The goal of the UDA is not to explain anything. The goal of the UD > Argument is to show that the physicalist notion of Matter does not > explain neither appearance of matter nor mind. > UDA is negative. It only illustrate that with comp the mind body > problem is two times more difficult than it is usually thought. You > have to explain BOTH Mind and Matter (and actually you have to explain > matter from mind, cf the reversal). > > Only when UDA is translated in the language of a Lobian machine, did it > begin to give positive and verifiable informations on > matter/appearances. > > Bruno > > > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---