That's all fine and I appreciate the position (once we 'have gotten' to
circumstances providing the idea of a Loeb machine) - what I want to inject
is Dr. Johnson's stone,
which is not 'mind-stuff'' and in his shoe DID HURT (his mind). Not vice
versa.
Please, let it go as a remark outside the discussion.
John

On 3/28/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Brent,
>
> As you can guess, I am searching an old post of view which I intended
> to answer, and then I take opportunity to comment some other one, on
> some point which are perhaps somehow important ...
>
> Le 17-mars-07, à 21:19, Brent Meeker a écrit :
>
> >
> > Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>
> >> Le 17-mars-07, à 00:11, Brent Meeker a écrit :
> >>
> >>> But what is Platonia - Tegmarks all mathematically consistent
> >>> universe?  or Bruno's Peano arithmetic - or maybe Torny's finite
> >>> arithmetic (which would be a much smaller "everything").
> >>>
> >>> And how do things "run" in Platonia?  Do we need temporal modes in
> >>> logic, as well as epistemic ones?
> >>
> >>
> >> Brent, for what I understand, you seem to believe in both a material
> >> primitive universe, and in the computationalist hypothesis.
> >
> > I don't believe either one - I just contemplate them. ;-)
> >
> > Since it is not at all clear to me that Peano arithmetic, or any
> > mathematics, exists I'm uncertain as to whether there is greater
> > explanatory power in your UDA as compared to Peter's "some things
> > exist and others don't".
>
>
> The goal of the UDA is not  to explain anything. The goal of the UD
> Argument is to show that the physicalist notion of Matter does not
> explain neither appearance of matter nor mind.
> UDA is negative. It only illustrate that with comp the mind body
> problem is two times more difficult than it is usually thought. You
> have to explain BOTH Mind and Matter (and actually you have to explain
> matter from mind, cf the reversal).
>
> Only when UDA is translated in the language of a Lobian machine, did it
> begin to give positive and verifiable informations on
> matter/appearances.
>
> Bruno
>
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> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
>
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> >
>

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