On Feb 18, 4:00 pm, benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 1Z wrote:
>
> > On Feb 17, 10:38 pm, benjayk <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote:
>
> >> > On 2/17/2011 12:27 PM, benjayk wrote:
>
> >> >> Brent Meeker-2 wrote:
>
> >> >>> On 2/17/2011 10:14 AM, benjayk wrote:
>
> >> >>>> 1Z wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> On Feb 17, 3:10 pm, benjayk<benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com>  
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>> 1Z wrote:
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Comp will imply that such a primary matter cannnot interfer at
> >> >>>>>>>>>> all
> >> >>>>>>>>>> with your consciousness, so that IF comp is correct physics
> >> has
> >> >>>>>>>>>> to
>
> >> >>>>>> be
>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> reduced to number theory, and such a primary matter is an
> >> >>>>>>>>>> invisible
> >> >>>>>>>>>> epiphenomena.
>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Physics cannot be eliminated in favour of non existent numbers.
> >> >>>>>>>>> Numbers
> >> >>>>>>>>> have to exist for the conclusion to follow
>
> >> >>>>>>>> Physics is not eliminated, on the contrary, physics is explained
> >> >>>>>>>> from
>
> >> >>>>>>>> something non physical.
>
> >> >>>>>>> The anti realist position is not that numbers are some existing
> >> non-
> >> >>>>>>> physical
> >> >>>>>>> thing: it is that they are not existent at all.
>
> >> >>>>>> If numbers don't exist at all, what does a statement that seems
> >> very
> >> >>>>>> much
> >> >>>>>> like a non-fictional and true statement, like "I have two hands"
> >> >>>>>> mean?
>
> >> >>>>> It's asserting the existence of hands, not numbers.
>
> >> >>>> You can't have one without the other.
>
> >> > Sure you can.  You can have an apple and an orange.  Whether they
> >> > constitute two of something depends on you thinking of them as fruits.
>
> >> I don't think you can conceive of "an apple and and orange" without them
> >> constituting two things.
>
> > That doesn't mean "two" is a third thing with a separate exisence.
>
> It doesn't have to have "seperate" existence.
> The parts of my body exist, even though they have no seperate existence from
> my body.

If you are saying that "two" is not separate from the apple and the
orange...that
is Aristoteleanism, not Platonism

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