Constantine, this is a rather trollish comment coming from an ignorant position.
Let me put the following gedanken experiment - consider the possibility that T. Rex might be either green or blue creatures, and that either possibility is physically consistent with everything we know about them. In a Multiverse (such as we consider here), we are in a superposition of histories, which include both green and blue T. Rexes. Then one day, someone discovers an exquisitely fossilised T. Rex feather, from which it is possible to determine the T. Rex's colour by means of photonics. Let us say, that the colour was determined to be green to everybody's satisfaction. But there is an alternate universe, where the colour was determined to be blue. This universe has now differentiated from our own, on the single fact of T. Rex colour. The question is, when was the colour of the dinosaur established as a fact? Many of us many worlders would argue it wasn't established until the photonics measurement was made - there was no 'matter of fact' about the dinosaur colour prior to that. Generalising from this, it is quite plausible that suns and stars did not exist prior to there being minds to perceive them. It is somewhat disorienting to realise this possibility, ingrained as we are from birth to believing in a directly perecived external reality. Yet the reality we perceive is very definitely a construction of our minds - a confabulation as it were, and there is not one scrap of evidence that that reality exists independently of our minds. BTW Bruno is not assuming that consciousnes preceded matter, he is instead assuming that consciousness is the result of the running of some computer program, as I'm sure he would tell you. The consequence of that latter assumption is that perceived reality is just that - a perception. On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 08:14:23PM -0700, Constantine Pseudonymous wrote: > Bruno assumes that consciousness preceded matter.... > > then why do we only find consciousness as a terrestrial phenomena > (suns and stars aren't conscious).. and as a later stage terrestrial > phenomena for that matter.... i.e. water, plants, minerals etc. are > not conscious..... and intellect and understanding in any real sense > are found in even later stage terrestrial forms, and we have physical > explanations for this....... > > Bruno sins against naturalism and all that we know and intuit. > > He will do anything to resurrect from the dead some rudimentary and > vague Mysticism. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
